What are your suggestions for dealing with Fallujah? - Page 2




 
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April 5th, 2004  
Pollux
 

Topic: Re: Attack Plan of Falujah


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Originally Posted by FutureRANGER
I've been thinking about this situation with Falujah (spl?). There are a couple of ways to go about it.

A

1) Surround the city with Artillery and Howitzers.

2) Allow women and children to leave city.

3) Demand surrender of key targets and militia. If they do not comply, start shelling the city.

4) Accept surrender given after 5 minutes of shelling.

B

1) Send a battalion of Marines into the city.

2) Besides scaring the *hit out of everyone, they totally dominate due to their superiority.

3) Once city is in control of US, occupy it the same way we occupied Germany and Japan. This way might have more casualties, but right now they (opposition) think the Americans are soft and if they kill a few of us we'll turn and run (as seen in Somalia). Its very misreprenting of the soldiers. If we went with Plan B, I'm confident any resolve they had to fight would be lost or greatly damaged.

yea I'm a little fired up now. Or pissed off. Now the hippies and anti-war crowd are going to attack the President and America instead of the Moslems who are the opposition. Even if they don't agree with the war, they should be behind their country and government.



I don't think that this would work....
If the US would destroy a whole city all, this would be the thing those muslimic fanatics where waiting for. All the young patriotic Iraquis would join the terroristic organisations and "Falujah" would crawl over the whole Iraq.
You dont have key targets in Falujah you have just some idiots with guns and bombs spread over the whole city......
Look how the third reich army reacted against the guerilla tactics on balkan. They wiped out whole villages and for every killed german soldier 100 people where shot...the result was, that more and more people joined the guerillas...
April 5th, 2004  
soilder79936
 
 
i would have to say search the city then if something not there what there looking for bomb the city and all the iraqi people can goto baghdad
April 6th, 2004  
Jtf2
 
Heh or you can just ask for it
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April 6th, 2004  
soilder79936
 
 
im was just kidding about that post
April 9th, 2004  
Redleg
 
 
A bit , but could this be the solution to the problem??

http://www.jokesgallery.com/joke.php?joke=1298&id=1
April 9th, 2004  
FutureRANGER
 
 
Haha good one.

In recent developments in Falujah-

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And, on the one-year anniversary of the fall of Baghdad, the U.S. military also announced it was retaking control of Kut, the southern Iraqi city held for several days by the militia of anti-American radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr (search).

That news came as the U.S. military announced that one soldier and an Iraqi driver were killed Friday when insurgents hit a fuel convoy on the western edge of Baghdad. A second soldier was killed in an attack using roadside bombs and small arms at Camp Cook, a U.S. base in northern Baghdad, the military said.

The suspension of military offensive actions was initiated by U.S. forces to allow for talks between all parties and to allow the residents of Fallujah to bury the dead and tend to the injured.

At least 450 Iraqis were killed and more than 1,000 wounded in fighting in the city of Fallujah this week, hospital officials said. The U.S. death toll across Iraq this week has reached 46.

At least 643 U.S. soldiers have died in Iraq since the war began in March 2003.

"As of noon today coalition forces have initiated a unilateral suspension of offensive operations in Fallujah to allow for a meeting between members of the Governing Council, local Muslim leadership and the leadership of anti-coalition forces," the top U.S. civilian administrator, L. Paul Bremer, said Friday.

The coalition was also letting women and children out of the city, but men of military age were to remain. But while the formal suspension was ongoing, U.S. forces were still coming under insurgent fire, so they returned it.

"Should these discussions break down, the coalition military forces are prepared to go back on the offense in military operations," Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, deputy head of operations in Iraq, said during the press conference. "At no time ... do soldiers forfeit their inherent right to defense ... if fired upon, they will fire back."

The insurgents launched more attacks after the suspension announcement, Los Angeles Times reporter Tony Perry told Fox News from Fallujah. The camp he was in came under mortar and small-arms fire, he said, "to a greater degree in those hours after that announcement than it had been in the previous week."

"If it was temporarily suspended it was one of the most temporary suspensions you can ever imagine," Perry said. "Fighting has continued all day because there's only really one party willing to agree to suspend offensive operation that of course is the Marines."

He added that the Marines are engaging insurgents in Fallujah "effectively defensively when the insurgents violate 7 p.m. curfew." Insurgents also attacked a humanitarian convoy, Perry said.
Looks like just about all of us got some part of it right. I still want to see that artillery .

Ademdum: One thing that stood out to me was the kill ratio. 10:1, not counting casulaties. Thats amazing. But its that 1 we don't want to lose.
April 10th, 2004  
Ben
 
What i would do, initially dominate the ground with air superiority (longbows). Set a curfew for the city, (will get most innocents out the way). Divide the city between coalition, foot patrols, riot sections on standby. Obviously there will be casualtys as this is FIBUA. Also starting with a deterrent with say putting UK Paras on foot patrol to initially deter any violence and to crush and destroy any uprising.
April 10th, 2004  
Ben
 
another thing - when i say "foot patrols" i mean mech and armoured infantry, with armour units on call (gotta be the challenger 2 MBT because the abrams is suceptable to RPGs which will be used heavily)
April 10th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
because the abrams is suceptable to RPGs which will be used heavily)
How do you figure on that one?
Basically, what you've described is what our Marines already did, before the cessation of combat operations in the city yesterday to allow for the delivery of humanitarian aid.

As far as intimidation by reputation, as well as by action, I believe our Marine Corps has that well in hand, They have the reputation across the globe as being some of the best and most tenacious fighters in the world. To paraphrase one of the ex-military analysts I saw on the news yesterday, the deaths of some of our men in Fallujah will only make the Marines fight harder and the enemy body count rise.
April 10th, 2004  
Ben
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redneck
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
because the abrams is suceptable to RPGs which will be used heavily)
How do you figure on that one?

Because an abrams was the only tank casualty to enemy fire where an rpg actually managed to penetrate the armour, where the challenger 2 manages to deflect the (so far)

Basically, what you've described is what our Marines already did,

Didn't know about that one mate.

As far as intimidation by reputation, as well as by action, I believe our Marine Corps has that well in hand, They have the reputation across the globe as being some of the best and most tenacious fighters in the world.

Well, not really. When it comes to reputation i would argue that, as i said, the paras or the gurkhas have a much stronger and more respected reputation, especially when they are considered to be better soldiers than delta, even though they are not on paper SF.