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December 30th, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
So the solution is Flowers candy hugs and warm fuzzies ?

Man where was I when supply was issueing all the Rose Colored glasses.
December 30th, 2004  
chewie_nz
 
i'm just saying that isreal is a good example. 50 years on they haven't solved terrorism.

i just wouldn't feel like negotiating with a tank sitting outside my bombed out home either.

i don't care who you are, you invade my country i will fight with any means possible, wouldn't you?
December 30th, 2004  
r031Button
 
 
I have to agree with Chewie, Isreal is perhaps the worst example of how to deal with Terrorism "hmmm, well they hate us for taking their land...LETS TAKE MORE!".

I think terrorism is a problem that's rooted in social issues; hard working middle class people don't blow themselves up or follow Islamic radicals. It's when you get into situations where you have a disgruntles lower class and an upper class with lots of time on it's hands that fundamentalism takes hold.
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December 30th, 2004  
Jason Bourne
 
Well chewie then i guess your right, maybe we should all just bend over and take it up the ass for them, hell why don't we just fund their whole damn operation
December 30th, 2004  
chewie_nz
 
thats not what i'm saying at all.
December 30th, 2004  
Jason Bourne
 
i know, i'm sorry that came out wrong, i know what your saying, i'm just not saying what i mean right.

i mean i think it and it is right, just it doesn't sound right when you say it, know what i mean, i shouldn't have said what i said and i apologize, i am not for torturing them i am just saying that they don't respond to anything else so sometimes the methods must be extreme in order to get answers.
December 30th, 2004  
Doc.S
 
Thank you 03USMC and I have alot of respect for men like you sir! Your type they dont build anymore I think. Maybe they do sir but you are a rare man if you lived where I am living sir! It is an honor to write on the same forum as you sir.

Most Sincerly:
Doc.S


devilwasp wrote:
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You can get them to talk easy with just simple methods and you dont even touch them. There is no need to try and convert them, its the children and younger generation. These people will grow old and die, but the children will live on. Win thier hearts and you will win the war.
Yes sir I respect your point of view and honesty - But I also understand that no terrorists from sweden transported to Egypt have had their children interrigated in Egypt for terrorist actions sir.

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Its easy to justify to yourself, justify it to the families of the dead in iraq and to children.
This is a good question? Maybe we should ask their fathers about this one. They are the ones who puts up modified landmines to blow younger men then I am in to pieces on the local highways. It is not the US Marines who runs into crowds with TNT strapped to their bodys killing of police and other gov people and then all innocent people that stands around. Problem is sir that dead people dont talk, and it can be hard to get any opinion from them sir.

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As hitler found out , you cant change adults but you can change children.
Oh yes he could change alot of people even adults but it was more easy to take the innocent childrens that wasn`t streetwise and didnt have that experiance and compassion for other human beings as some of the adults probably had before they were scared to silence or converted to be mr Adolf Hitlers willing servants. But this is 2005 and far from 1932-1945 - 1946-1955 European history events sir.

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Would you feel better knowing that you just shot a child to get information on his fathers organisation. I mean hey if torture is okey then it should be fine to hurt his families. Just another means of getting information. The end does not justify the means.
No sir I dont agree over here - We are talking about the terrorists that we are taking in for questioning and not the familys that often dont know a jackass about what there father are doing untill he blows himselfe to peaces. I am not talking about going over any family lines. Then you would probably need another Hiroshima or Nagasaki but even bigger to deal with the problems after such behaviour. And you cant seriously mean that american soldiers would kidnapp terrorist familys, put a 9mm to a 8 year old kids head and pull the trigger infront of his fathers eyes just to get information from hes dad? No one would talk after such treatment sir. I can assure you that. Problem is that these terrorists dont give a damn about their familys. Well yes Money probably but that is all. Next step in their world is that they get to go to "Nirvana" 70 virgins and a heck of a party togheter with Allah sir.

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That does not mean we need to use thier methods on them.
DO YOU WANT TO BE THE ONE WHO TELLS YOUR CHILD THAT YOU HURT ANOTHER PERSON TO GET INFORMATION??
Well sir.... I would like to put it like this once again. When did you see a terrorist try to torture a human being for information about where Washington DC is and where to put a bomb big enough to kill alot of people in the railway system? Well sir maybe they torture people, but that is not for saving other lifes. Thats because they seem to get a kick out of it, and probably they get that too. I dont want to get messy but maybe you should ask that question too a proferssional Terrorist if you ever have the misfortune to face one or two eye to eye. As a soldier you will have to kill them wether you want to or not son, or the other alternative - Let someone close to you explain to your son why his dad and six of dads soldier buddies are dead. hopefully they didnt torture or behead dad before they shoot him at point blank.

If I had to tell my son or daughter why I have to hurt another human being to get information that can save hundreds maybe thousands of innocent people in there own age. Yes sir I would put it out to them in a ordinary fachion and try my best to explain for the kid depending on wich age he/she may be sir. I think alot more people should do that instead of making up ghost storys about the big satan. Kids grows up finaly, and even if they maby have a hard time to understand why people have to hurt each other sometimes they will grow up and understand that part sooner or later anyway, even if I may find it hard to understand from time to time I know that as an adult male that other people will get even more hurt if dady didnt do something to prevent it.

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If and when i join the military i will not let this happen! By god as my witness i will not let anyman do this no matter the cause!
Sir you will probably be a great field medic or maby firefighter in the army. You seem to be a very nice person that wants to save human lifes. And you have a great deal of compassion for other human beings wich is a great ability if you want to understand your fellow human beings. The thing is that sometimes this methods are needed to get the information fast or maby your convoy is the target for the next bomb in 24 hours. I dont like torture as a tool for retribution or when people put up women underwear on prisoners head and have them posing for the cameras. But I can assure you that I did disslike the beheading of that young Nick Bergh more then those photos and I know that we can expect more pictures from where they came from. I didnt like to see women, men drop out from the World Trade Center either and I didnt like to see those burned bodys of westerners dragged and burned hanging and mutilated at that bridge. You have alot to walk on but still much to learn about terrorist my young friend, but hey! You are not alone.

Best Regards:
Doc.S
December 30th, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
Israel is an example of how the fundamentalists work.

How many peace conferences were sponsored and had Yassar Arafat promising that the PLO could get along with the Israelis? Hammas and the rest of the Extremists wouldn't buy it. It's their way or they Kill as many as they can.
Their view is get out or we blow up a school bus. Regardless of the fact that innocents are aboard.

Then howl and whine about underware on a guys head, while they saw heads off westerners. Okay got ya.

Yeah the run of the mill suicide bomber may come from the lower class and be disgruntled. But who is financing it . Money men like Bin Laden who have made up their minds that they are the Mahdi. Cause you darn sure can't buy symtex with goats.
December 30th, 2004  
Jason Bourne
 
sorry i mixed up names, eralier i said i agree with USMC03 and Wasp, i meant i agree with USMC03 and Doc.S sorry.

but that is what i'm saying the terrorists cdna't be resoned with and they can't be talked to, when you need information to prevent more death you must make them talk
December 30th, 2004  
devilwasp
 
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Originally Posted by 03USMC
So the solution is Flowers candy hugs and warm fuzzies ?

Man where was I when supply was issueing all the Rose Colored glasses.
The solution is to go and shot the bstrds before they get a chance to hurt people, BUT beating the crap outa someone to get info is a bit fking drastic!