Thoughts on the Russo-Ukranian War? - Page 4




 
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March 15th, 2022  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Are the Russians claiming they are shooting their own wounded? I haven't heard that

I think the Russians are underperforming and the Ukrainians are overperforming. It is hard to really know what is going on, but I think the Ukrainians are more using infantry units with anti-tank weapons to hit and run. I don't know if the Ukrainians are letting the tank and mechanized units pass and then hit their supplies.

The longer the Ukrainians can fighting back and causes a lot of casualties they may pull this off, but that depends on how much more the Russians can take the cost of the war. The sanctions and the casualties can make them to react. It also depends on if Putin mysteriously and suddenly dies. He can't back down, but how long can the other Russians in the government live with this.

I think I said something about giving the Ukrainians systems that can deal with the Russian artillery. I would try to use their Turkish UAV's against their artillery if I were an Ukrainian officer. Another option would be to try to hit the Russian railroad hubs in southern Russia. A lot of their supplies are going on railroads and if the Ukrainians can hit where they unload their supply trains and load it on trucks would worsen the Russian logistical problems.
March 15th, 2022  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk
Are the Russians claiming they are shooting their own wounded? I haven't heard that

I think the Russians are underperforming and the Ukrainians are overperforming. It is hard to really know what is going on, but I think the Ukrainians are more using infantry units with anti-tank weapons to hit and run. I don't know if the Ukrainians are letting the tank and mechanized units pass and then hit their supplies.

The longer the Ukrainians can fighting back and causes a lot of casualties they may pull this off, but that depends on how much more the Russians can take the cost of the war. The sanctions and the casualties can make them to react. It also depends on if Putin mysteriously and suddenly dies. He can't back down, but how long can the other Russians in the government live with this.

I think I said something about giving the Ukrainians systems that can deal with the Russian artillery. I would try to use their Turkish UAV's against their artillery if I were an Ukrainian officer. Another option would be to try to hit the Russian railroad hubs in southern Russia. A lot of their supplies are going on railroads and if the Ukrainians can hit where they unload their supply trains and load it on trucks would worsen the Russian logistical problems.
I can't find that specific comment

POW comments


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POW comments


Found it... Once again I don't speak Russian and have no idea whether he is who he says he is so make of it what you will...
POW on phone



The other thing to note is that this information is gathered under duress and that there is no confirmation that the participants are who they say they are, but if these are "genuine" Russian POWs it seems to me that they are poorly trained reservists who were basically given a gun pointed south.

And just for good measure a dissenting opinion...

Putin says...
March 16th, 2022  
MontyB
 
 
I also found this rather interesting, things could get rather sticky for the Russians if Ukraine can stay in the fight long enough to get it's reserves up to speed and equipped.

Russian failings


And...

10 Days
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March 16th, 2022  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
There are so many known unknowns, hehe couldn't resist to say that. I usually don't care nor listen to what POW's are saying. They tend to say what their guards want them to say.

This war is difficult to keep track of, there is so much propaganda and I think Ukraine is winning that war. Especially when Lavrov said "Russia has not invaded Ukraine" It looks pretty much as an invasion to me.

I have asked myself how much military aid is going into Ukraine, what do they get? We know they get Javelin missiles, NLAW's, Stingers, Starstreak, panzerfaust 3, the Turkish UAV's, protection gear, and MRE food. Do the Ukrainians get more advanced air defense systems and other military aid? Is the support operation working well or not? I guess the Ukrainians get a lot of intelligence support from the West. The Russians might have lost high ranked officers, is that because of the intel they get?

The Russian advance is very slow, they seem to have huge logistical problems. Is these problems because of their own incompetence or do the Ukrainians contribute to the stalled offensive.
March 16th, 2022  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk
There are so many known unknowns, hehe couldn't resist to say that. I usually don't care nor listen to what POW's are saying. They tend to say what their guards want them to say.
I agree which is why I pointed out that these things are done under some duress and at the end of the day there is no proof they are even Russian soldiers but if we assume they are then you can draw several conclusions the main one is that they are not well instructed in security procedures nor do they appear particularly smart which leads me to believe they are low grade reservists (guys just serving their time).

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This war is difficult to keep track of, there is so much propaganda and I think Ukraine is winning that war. Especially when Lavrov said "Russia has not invaded Ukraine" It looks pretty much as an invasion to me.
I admit I would like to know what he sees as the difference.

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I have asked myself how much military aid is going into Ukraine, what do they get? We know they get Javelin missiles, NLAW's, Stingers, Starstreak, panzerfaust 3, the Turkish UAV's, protection gear, and MRE food. Do the Ukrainians get more advanced air defense systems and other military aid? Is the support operation working well or not? I guess the Ukrainians get a lot of intelligence support from the West. The Russians might have lost high ranked officers, is that because of the intel they get?

The Russian advance is very slow, they seem to have huge logistical problems. Is these problems because of their own incompetence or do the Ukrainians contribute to the stalled offensive.
My problem is that all this defensive equipment is great but in the end no one wins a defensive war, at some stage they have to retake ground or they will eventually lose it one metre at a time.
I still believe they have at some stage to take the war to the Russians which I think includes attacks on transport links inside Russia, oil/fuel facilities in Crimea and attacks on the Black Sea Fleet which means they need longer range offensive weapons.
March 16th, 2022  
George
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
I still believe they have at some stage to take the war to the Russians which I think includes attacks on transport links inside Russia, oil/fuel facilities in Crimea and attacks on the Black Sea Fleet which means they need longer range offensive weapons.
If there are any LNG storage within range......
March 16th, 2022  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
I agree which is why I pointed out that these things are done under some duress and at the end of the day there is no proof they are even Russian soldiers but if we assume they are then you can draw several conclusions the main one is that they are not well instructed in security procedures nor do they appear particularly smart which leads me to believe they are low grade reservists (guys just serving their time).



I admit I would like to know what he sees as the difference.



My problem is that all this defensive equipment is great but in the end no one wins a defensive war, at some stage they have to retake ground or they will eventually lose it one metre at a time.
I still believe they have at some stage to take the war to the Russians which I think includes attacks on transport links inside Russia, oil/fuel facilities in Crimea and attacks on the Black Sea Fleet which means they need longer range offensive weapons.
Yes, it would be good if the Ukrainians get weapons that can reach what you stated. The problem can be if the Ukrainians are attacking logistical hubs in Belarus. It would be a military necessity, but it can drag Belarus into the war.
March 17th, 2022  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk
Yes, it would be good if the Ukrainians get weapons that can reach what you stated. The problem can be if the Ukrainians are attacking logistical hubs in Belarus. It would be a military necessity, but it can drag Belarus into the war.
I also think the West should make it very clear to Putin that if Belarus joins Russia and sends troops it will become an invitation for NATO countries to respond in support of Ukraine.
March 17th, 2022  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
I also think the West should make it very clear to Putin that if Belarus joins Russia and sends troops it will become an invitation for NATO countries to respond in support of Ukraine.
I agree with what you are saying. This shelling of residential areas must have consequences. I have changed my mind about the no-fly zone and perhaps not stopping with a no-fly zone because a no fly zone will not stop the Russian artillery. I read the US will provide Ukraine with long range air defense systems. I also think the Ukrainians shall get the MIG's and the SU's planes. They can probably not fight back the Russian planes, but they can make it more dangerous for the Russian planes. If the Ukraine get the air defense systems and maybe the planes it can get the no-fly zone without having NATO doing it for them.

I saw the Russians are constructing a fuel pipeline, it will be a nice target for the "kamikaze" drones the US are providing Ukraine with.
March 17th, 2022  
George
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
I also think the West should make it very clear to Putin that if Belarus joins Russia and sends troops it will become an invitation for NATO countries to respond in support of Ukraine.
They have violated neutrality by allowing Russia to use their territory to invade.
 


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