Sir Basil H. Liddell Hart Quote - Page 3




 
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November 3rd, 2020  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
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Originally Posted by lljadw
The Soviets did not need the Volksarmee and did not trust the East Germans . US need the Bundeswehr but did not trust the West Germans .

That's why Hans Speidel was the NATO commander of all ground forces in the CENTCOM between 1957-1963. NATO and the US didn't trust him. The Soviets needed the GDR to be faithful to communism even if they didn't trust them. That's why they used former wehrmacht officers and former nazi police officers to establish the East German security police (Stasi)
November 3rd, 2020  
lljadw
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk
That's why Hans Speidel was the NATO commander of all ground forces in the CENTCOM between 1957-1963. NATO and the US didn't trust him. The Soviets needed the GDR to be faithful to communism even if they didn't trust them. That's why they used former wehrmacht officers and former nazi police officers to establish the East German security police (Stasi)
The Germans did not receive nuclear weapons ,because US did not trust them .
The Soviets used former nazis for the Stasi,because they were short on capable candidates and because the nazis became enthusiastically communists .
Besides, NATO used also Gehlen, who during the war said : Heil mein Führer and after the war : long live democracy .
The Bundeswehr had ( and still has ) no chief of staff but only an inspector general with limited power, because no one trusted Heusinger ,his henchmen and his successors .Speidel betrayed Rommel to not be implicated in the conspiracy of the 20th July .
The Soviets did not trust,rightfully, the armies of the satellites,especially not the Volksarmee ;when the Soviets left the satellites, the communist system collapsed and the gauleiters disavowed Marx .
In 1956 the Polish army, the Polish communists and the Polish Cheka said no to the Kremlin, in 1968 Ceausescu refused to participate into the suppression of the Czech Spring,the Czech army accepted the liberalisation in CZ, the Hungarian army the liberalisation in Hungary .And let's not talk about Yugoslavia.
The Soviets knew that in a crisis they had only one ally : themselves .
November 4th, 2020  
BritinBritain
 
 
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Originally Posted by lljadw
The Gloster Meteor did already active service in July 1944 and was as good or better than the Me 262
The Me 262 did active service not in April 1944 but in July 1944. Erprobungskommando is a test unit , not a combat unit .
And the Germans would be better off without the Me 262 .
I have to agree with you regarding the ME262 and Gloster Meteor.
If my memory is correct the engines on the 262 required a major service every 12 to 24 hours and had a bad habit of catching fire, the Rolls Royce engines in the Meteor only needed a major service every 100 hours.

It doesnt matter that the Erprobungskommando is a test unit, the 262 still flew
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November 4th, 2020  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lljadw
The Germans did not receive nuclear weapons ,because US did not trust them .
The Soviets used former nazis for the Stasi,because they were short on capable candidates and because the nazis became enthusiastically communists .
Besides, NATO used also Gehlen, who during the war said : Heil mein Führer and after the war : long live democracy .
The Bundeswehr had ( and still has ) no chief of staff but only an inspector general with limited power, because no one trusted Heusinger ,his henchmen and his successors .Speidel betrayed Rommel to not be implicated in the conspiracy of the 20th July .
The Soviets did not trust,rightfully, the armies of the satellites,especially not the Volksarmee ;when the Soviets left the satellites, the communist system collapsed and the gauleiters disavowed Marx .
In 1956 the Polish army, the Polish communists and the Polish Cheka said no to the Kremlin, in 1968 Ceausescu refused to participate into the suppression of the Czech Spring,the Czech army accepted the liberalisation in CZ, the Hungarian army the liberalisation in Hungary .And let's not talk about Yugoslavia.
The Soviets knew that in a crisis they had only one ally : themselves .
Have you ever heard of the non proliferation treaty? The US didn't gave Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Holland, Norway, Italy and all the other NATO countries any nukes. Britain and France developed their own nukes. A lot of the other NATO countries could and still can produce their own nukes if they want to do that, but they have signed the NPT. Although, you said the US didn't trust the Germans, but they allowed their own forces to be under the command of Speidel.

I do agree with the Soviets didn't trust their WP allies if the cold war went hot. They needed to have the WP countries under strict political control.
November 4th, 2020  
lljadw
 
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Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk
Have you ever heard of the non proliferation treaty? The US didn't gave Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Holland, Norway, Italy and all the other NATO countries any nukes. Britain and France developed their own nukes. A lot of the other NATO countries could and still can produce their own nukes if they want to do that, but they have signed the NPT. Although, you said the US didn't trust the Germans, but they allowed their own forces to be under the command of Speidel.

I do agree with the Soviets didn't trust their WP allies if the cold war went hot. They needed to have the WP countries under strict political control.
Speidel could command US soldiers,because the Bundeswehr had 12 divisions and the US only 6 , but Speidel never had any authority on the US nuclear weapons in Europe .
November 4th, 2020  
lljadw
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk
Have you ever heard of the non proliferation treaty? The US didn't gave Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Holland, Norway, Italy and all the other NATO countries any nukes. Britain and France developed their own nukes. A lot of the other NATO countries could and still can produce their own nukes if they want to do that, but they have signed the NPT. Although, you said the US didn't trust the Germans, but they allowed their own forces to be under the command of Speidel.

I do agree with the Soviets didn't trust their WP allies if the cold war went hot. They needed to have the WP countries under strict political control.
Nato members did not sign the NPT.
November 5th, 2020  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
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Originally Posted by lljadw
Nato members did not sign the NPT.
Nato countries signed it

Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, United Kingdom, and the United States signed the NPT in 1968

Germany (both of them) signed it in 1969

France signed it in 1992. The majority of the former WP countries now members of NATO signed the treaty in either 1991 or 1992
November 5th, 2020  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lljadw
Speidel could command US soldiers,because the Bundeswehr had 12 divisions and the US only 6 , but Speidel never had any authority on the US nuclear weapons in Europe .
Nuclear weapons can only be launched on the order of the US president, the British PM, or the French president. The French nukes aren't integrated in NATO's nuclear strategy
November 5th, 2020  
lljadw
 
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Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk
Nato countries signed it

Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, United Kingdom, and the United States signed the NPT in 1968

Germany (both of them) signed it in 1969

France signed it in 1992. The majority of the former WP countries now members of NATO signed the treaty in either 1991 or 1992
But not before 1968 :Adenauer and Strauss wanted in 1960 nuclear weapons for the Bundeswehr under German command . But the US refused. Even tactical nuclear weapons were not allowed .
The reasons were
a the US did not trust Germans with nuclear weapons
b the other NATO members also were hostile
c nuclear weapons for Germany would be a threat for the US dominant position in Nato. Germany would no longer need the US.
d there would be a very harsh reaction from the Soviets .
The spectre of Auschwitz was still present .
November 6th, 2020  
lljadw
 
Strauss and even Adenauer wanted to have an important and even independent role from the USA,and wanted thus to have nuclear weapons .
Strauss was eliminated in the Spiegel affair ,and Adenauer had to resign a year later . In the Spiegel affair, Adenauer wanted the arrest of Gehlen, who worked against Strauss,and every one knew that the BND was an extension of the CIA . A colonel of the BND was arrested, but Gehlen could get away with it .
20 years later,Paul Erdman wrote a fictional (?) book :The Last Days of America,where Strauss become Bundeskanzler,ordered to produce secretly nuclear weapons and missiles and made a treaty with the Soviets : both West and East Germany left Nato and Pact of Warsaw and US had to leave Europe .
Strauss was a dangerous person and was eliminated.
 


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