More American evil - Page 2




 
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April 30th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackJack
The soldiers are breaking the law and will be rightly punished.
You pretty much summed it up yourself there, chief. Not only are the men and women who were directly involved in the incidents being disciplined, but their superiors are as well, most of whom probably knew nothing about what these immature jack*sses were up to, but still failed in their duty by providing an atmosphere were the discipline was lax enough that some of their people could get away with something like this. You heard the saying "Sh*t rolls downhill?" well in the United States Army, it also rolls uphill, everyone is ultimately responsible for the actions of their subordinates.
This is how we maintain the "higher standard" that RnderSafe mentioned, inexcusable behaviour is NOT excused, and all through the chain of command, NCOs and officers are forced to police their men (and women) and enforce this standard. And when there is a failure in the moral fiber of our military, it is dealt with immediately and sufficiently. How's that for "American evil?"
April 30th, 2004  
Snauhi
 
this is just ****. And almost all of you say that they are treating them good GJ.
April 30th, 2004  
RnderSafe
 
 
Quote:
You pretty much summed it up yourself there, chief. Not only are the men and women who were directly involved in the incidents being disciplined, but their superiors are as well, most of whom probably knew nothing about what these immature jack*sses were up to, but still failed in their duty by providing an atmosphere were the discipline was lax enough that some of their people could get away with something like this. You heard the saying "Sh*t rolls downhill?" well in the United States Army, it also rolls uphill, everyone is ultimately responsible for the actions of their subordinates.
This is how we maintain the "higher standard" that RnderSafe mentioned, inexcusable behaviour is NOT excused, and all through the chain of command, NCOs and officers are forced to police their men (and women) and enforce this standard. And when there is a failure in the moral fiber of our military, it is dealt with immediately and sufficiently. How's that for "American evil?"
Very good points, Redneck - and very true. However, in this case - the "Shit" rolled downhill. There were some severe issues with the leadership before this event, apparently. And as you pointed out, even had the NCOs not been lax leaders and undiciplined themselves, they are still held responsible for their men in our military. As with every organisation, 10% rule.

Quote:
Originally Posted by snauhi
And almost all of you say that they are treating them good GJ.
What are you talking about?
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April 30th, 2004  
Doppleganger
 
 

Topic: Re: More American evil


Well Blackjack, if you think this is evil then you've lived a very sheltered existence my friend. It's intolereable, immature, disrespectful and must and will be be punished but evil???

You won't get any sympathy for your point of view if you come online and post statements like this. You're obviously from the UK and I'm pretty embarrassed that you're from my country.




Mod edit:just deleted the whole quote of Blackjack's original post, don't want to suck up too much bandwidth here
April 30th, 2004  
Snauhi
 

Topic: Re: More American evil


man i dont think he meant evil. So take it easy.





Mod edit:see above
April 30th, 2004  
Doppleganger
 
 

Topic: Re: Hmmm


Quote:
Originally Posted by sherman105
Ok, a few points.Please read all the way, before you dismiss, Blackjack and Rendersafe.

1-There is NO excuse for this kind of behavior, and I find it appoling.

2-This soldiers should all face chrages.

3-And, they will be facing charges...Unlike officers and troops of the Iraqi army that never faced charges for acts much worse(acctually they were usually orderd to torture people...).
Quote:
Six soldiers now face court martial and jail. One allegedly boasted that the captives "broke within hours". Seven others, including a general, are suspended from duty and may be disciplined
See, they will be punished.

4-Every, and I mean every fighting force has a noumber of MFs, that do this kind of lunatic shit.
Yup agreed. I don't know what race/faith Blackjack is but he or she are kidding themselves if they think that this behaviour isn't carried out by ALL nations. What I see in those photos isn't evil, but a very disrespecftul, uncalled for, unnecessary treatment of fellow human beings. that must result in court martials and prison sentences for the soldiers concerned.
April 30th, 2004  
Doppleganger
 
 
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man i dont think he meant evil. So take it easy.
Whether he truly believes it was evil is a different matter. But his dislike and bias against the USA is pretty evident.

Obvious bias and/or attempt to stir up feelings has no place in a forum such as this.
April 30th, 2004  
Snauhi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doppleganger
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man i dont think he meant evil. So take it easy.
Whether he truly believes it was evil is a different matter. But his dislike and bias against the USA is pretty evident.

Obvious bias and/or attempt to stir up feelings has no place in a forum such as this.
Man discuss the pictures and not him
April 30th, 2004  
RnderSafe
 
 
Quote:
man i dont think he meant evil. So take it easy.
The post clearly says EVIL. If he didn't mean EVIL, he wouldn't have stated EVIL. Keep up, now.
April 30th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 

Topic: Re: More American evil


Quote:
Originally Posted by Snauhi
man i dont think he meant evil. So take it easy.
Everyone must take responsibility for their own actions and words, and accept the consequences thereof, and there is no excusing BlackJack's use of the word to a "misunderstanding," as English is in fact his own language.


And Doppleganger is entirely correct, if you have spent any time here at all you will see that every effort is made to treat everyone with respect, sometimes even long after they have proven they are unworthy of that respect.