Marines? Simply Mindless Killing Machines? - Page 2




 
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April 14th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
That's easy. Dole, Bush and Bush.
April 14th, 2005  
Italian Guy
 
 
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Originally Posted by Charge 7
That's easy. Dole, Bush and Bush.
8) (going man) Back to the beef. So yeah I wouldn't say Marines are mindless killing people. didn't get the grant thing though. Anyone?
April 14th, 2005  
master2001
 
 
Me neither but marines are not mindless machines. In fact they are some of the coolest people you'll ever get a chance to meet.
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April 14th, 2005  
Missileer
 
 
If it wasn't the Marines being picked out to slander, it would have been any branch of service that came to this person's brain stem. Accidents happen in every branch of the service in every country in the world. I have a friend who was a captain in the Army National Guard and was on duty at Ft. Hood. He saw a soldier hitting on a tank track with a sledge hammer. A sliver of metal came off the hammer or the track and went through his heart, killing him instantly. The odds were pretty astronomical but it happened and everyone had to just suck it up and get back to work. Sht happens.
April 15th, 2005  
zhjsg
 
to some extend, we can say that. marine , or others, they cannot disagree with the order but to obey
but since they are humans, they can do what they like to do in other field.
April 15th, 2005  
Trevor
 
Why generalize like this on the USMC? There have been tons of people that have died during mountain training in the SAS, I'm sure NAVY SEALS arn't too far behind either. Also, [sarcasm]I just love how they don't even go into the incident about how he died in the first place, and whether his DI was responsible or not[/sarcasm].
April 16th, 2005  
Bory
 
 
Basic training is meant to be tough. If you have any doubts about your physical state don't do it. I had to forfit going on a SNCO course, because i felt slightly sick. While the course was going on, the Doc at the hospital said I was in the early stages of pnemonia, fortunatly it is gone now but it takes about a year to fully recover, so Im not doing anymore couseres till the end of the year. Had I done the SNCO course I would have been in a hell of a lot trouble. The thing with the young bloke dying in Basic, do you know the full story?, dose your mate?, no offence meant but I doubt either of you do. Yes a death is a serious concern, but you have to know the whole story. The kid was probably not up to the intense course but not willing to admit it and pushed himself way to far.
Now the USMC being "mindless killing machines", you have to be kidding me right. The only "people" that fill that position are terrorists. Terrorists kill innocent people to make some half minded political point. The USMC fight either soldiers or terrorists because the US government has a well thought out plan of what to achieve in a conflict zone. Beleive it or not, killing people is not the sole purpose of Basic training. It is an aspect, in self defence, or on Tactical ops, but not the whole course. In basic you learn hence the name all the basics. Everything you need to know to survive in your career is taught to you.
April 16th, 2005  
FO Seaman
 
 
As all of us know Boot Camp, Basic Training, AIT, BIT, and the whole kitten kaboodal are meant to be tough to train those who may go to war.

Mod Edit: You obviously don't get it either, paragraph removed for complete inaccuracy. You have been warned before.
April 16th, 2005  
DTop
 
 
Consider the source of that article "World Socialist Web Site". Hardly a bastion of objectivity. I read the article and the proof of just how out of touch the author is with 21st century training doctrine is clearly demonstrated in the following exerpt.

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The videotape shows Tharp being grabbed by his uniform and “forearmed” by the instructor in the presence of four other recruits, an instance of abuse that, if anything, seems mild given the reputation of Marine boot camp. The brutal treatment of recruits is hardly a secret. It is, in fact, something the Marine Corps promotes as necessary to forge young people into “the few and the proud” and has already been the subject of such films as Full Metal Jacket (1987).
To base your knowledge of military training of a 1987 film that was out of date when it was made is just stupid.

As to the grant issue, it is clear that the educational grant had nothing to do with the military, it had to do with getting a Pell grant after he had left the military.
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I still don’t think I belong here, and I think I should go home and get a grant.”
More proof of the folly of this article lies in this statement.
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Relentlessly humiliating recruits for showing signs of fear and weakness is an essential part of the training process.
Ah, no it isn't.


Here's another inane statement.
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Recognizing the limits to which the human spirit can be forced to carry out indiscriminate acts of homicidal brutality under the guise of fighting to spread “freedom and democracy,” and the increasing resistance this will provoke, the army reportedly plans to spend $127 billion on developing robot soldiers, representing the biggest military contract in US history, driving the already record-large military budget up by another 20 percent (New York Times, February 16, 2005). The military hopes to deploy robots, capable of firing 1,000 rounds of ammunition a minute, as early as this April in Iraq.
As far as I can see, this is the Army's way of protecting our soldiers while still accomplishing its mission. " indiscriminate acts of homicidal brutality" Maybe we should go into combat with marshmallow artillery or nerf cruise missiles?
April 17th, 2005  
FO Seaman
 
 
What was wronfg with my post?

Just recently an LT died in a Bradley from a smoke grenade.