Originally Posted by Jtf2

i mean sure saddams caught but now the war is still unjustified

How do you figure? I believe the war in Iraq is entirely justified, even if only (although it is not the only justification by a long shot) by the fact that we removed Saddam's regime and by so doing protected the lives and liberties of thousands of Iraqis.

Why dont the US troops go in the middle east?

We are in the Middle East.

THATS where there suposed to be

Is it now? Since when does our being anywhere meet with the approval of the so-called "world community?" Thank you anyway, but they are the last people who I would look to for advice on what and where our government should send servicemen and women into harm's way for.

if the US cauld solve that conflict they would be less hated across the world

See above. I could not care less what the "world" thinks of my country and its actions as long as I believe in them.


And as long as we are swapping quotes:

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out where the strong man stumbled or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred with dust and sweat and blood. At best, he knows the triumph of high achievement; if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.
-Theodore Roosevelt

Spoken like a true american...look m8 by the middle east i mean between palestine and isreal

2nd You say you dont need the world comunity's support?
the us economy has never been worst because of bush's 'war on terrorism' the us has an ANUAL dept of over 300 billion that adds up...and that they never pay...and why do you think there are terror attacks? because the US troops are where there not suposed to be...other countrys lol

Look m8 im not attacking the US i was actualy for the iraq war because i just plain hated saddam and i loved the milltary effort im just trying to get a debate going... its fun

just MY opinion once again...

Oh and when the US defies the UN that cauld create world war 3

LOL. Jtf2, you dont have a clue do you. I am known to be one of the easy going members of this forum. I am way more liberal then Redneck...But you are posting complete nonsence. Firstly, the UN would not exist if the USA did not support it, financially and militarliy. Secondly, the Israeli-Palestinian problem is partly caused by the effects of totalterian arab rejiems, such as Saddams. If you think that calling the palestinian "those people" offends them, your dead wrong. They are proud of being Palestinian as I am proud being a Jew/Israeli. They refer to the westerners as "those people". France sold itself to arab oil long ago, and has no right to complain. France was a great suppoter of Israel and then embargoed us because the arabs threatend france with an oil embargo. The french should also note, when they complain about the USAs agressive foreighn policy, that similar US actions are the reason the French do not speak GERMAN...As to the intervention of US or french troops in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, i'd advise against it. For a couple of reasons. Firstly, I dislike the idea of any foreighn country sending soldiers here. Secondly, the casualties you will take at plaestinian attacks would be horrible. Also, you assume the Israeli gov. would allow this. Im not so sure, and it would be a pitty to see a UN task force getting destroyed by Israeli forces. Probably the US army or Marines could get in if they had to, but thank god the USA is one of the last countries to have some sence left in them.

Originally Posted by Jtf2

Spoken like a true american

Thank you.

look m8 by the middle east i mean between palestine and isreal

Then say Palestine and Israel, makes things less confusing.

and why do you think there are terror attacks? because the US troops are where there not suposed to be...other countrys lol

Ok, you're walking on the fighting side of me, "m8." There is NO justification for the terrorist attacks, there is never any for the intentional taking of the lives of civilians. And anyway if we are not supposed to be in other countries, why do you think we should go to Israel (let alone the fact that they have been one of our only fast and true allies throughout the latter half of the century)? Too bad you weren't around back in 1944 to tell us you didn't want our troops in other countries. Could have saved us a lot of men by avoiding the liberation of France.

kill them all

Kill all of who?

Lool i cant win this because this board is 98%american or isrealy I AM NOT SAYING ISREAL is wrong im just saying it cauld be done diffrently....

2nd sherman i did not attack you so learn to hold your tongue or your fingers in this case because it is you that speaks nonsence first off the UN isisnt only about war 2nd 180 country's are in the UN 3rd it is not only the US that liberated the french...canadians,the americans and the english did so check your history 3rd you want an attack here it is...the only reason isreal exists is because the english and the americans didnt want the jews in there country...at least not all of them...for im on the isrealy side of this conflict im just revealing that there are more then one way to think

Cheers,

Jtf

Originally Posted by Jtf2

Lool i cant win this because this board is 98%american or isrealy

That's the easy way out, isn't it? A heck of a lot easier than actually stating a clearly defined and supported position. But if you're comfortable with that, no one is going to force you to stand up for yourself.

it is not only the US that liberated the french

I don't recall sherman saying that it was ONLY our forces that liberated France. I am exercising a lot of restraint here, but it is yourself, not anyone else involved in this discussion, who needs to hold your tongue until you have thought out a coherent argument.

The reason Israel exists is because it is the Hebrews' homeland and has been for thousands of years. Sure there were political reasons behind its reformation following WWII, but I don't recall the U.S. or Great Britain deporting any Jews to the new country, something we probably would have done had our goal been removing any Jewish presence from our countries. The Jews in the States are Americans, and the Jews in Britain are British.

Alright redneck i was just saying that your not looking at both sides of this conflict... but theres no point in me repeating myself because you wont... like i said i was actualy hoping isreal cauld fully invade palestine and get it over with but i was just pointing out the counter argument...
and coming abck to subject i think the killing of that crimelord was a mistake in strategy because the younger generation are uhmm even more extremist...im affraid for the jewish population...


(btw why wont my display pic show lol ive been fooling around with it for days lol)

Cheers,

JTF

And you think that YOU are looking at both sides (I know you say you are, but your arguments as far as they go seem pretty one-sided to me). I HAVE looked at both sides, and have found that I agree with the Israeli (not Isrealy) position over that of the voices you hear at the head of the Palestinians (i.e. Arafat & Co.). Just because I disagree with you does not mean that I haven't researched my position or that it is not a valid one, unless you are some fountain of truth that I was unaware of. It is very easy to play armchair general, but in war mistakes will be made (I don't believe the assassination in question is one of those mistakes, however), and as the old saw goes, hindsight is 20-20. Going back to the Teddy Roosevelt quote, it is easy to point out the faults of other men when you have done nothing.
And I am not asking you to repeat yourself (please don't) but rather to make a solid argument, which at the present time seems pretty haphazard and strung together to be blunt.


About your "display pic," check in the "Questions" forum and the "Features" one, I'm sure you will fnd your answer there, if not, PM me.