Could you pleas rephrase that?

If it means what I think it means, obviously you don't read the papers or watch the news.

Originally Posted by usinfantryMOS11c10

Why doesn't anyone question all of the nations in the world then? It seems everyone's only interested in Israel doing it.

Because all of the nations in the world have realised it isn't the right thing to do and stopped with the exception of Israel and maybe Zimbabwe.

That being said we are getting off topic.

Just one more then..... Perhaps you don't remember 1982 and a small island, belonging to Argentina. Which the British held, and then had to re take. Nothing wrong with that...

And technically I am still on topic, since I believe that Israel's greatest enemy to be, hate= Anti Semitism= Anti- Zionism, It's all the same.

Jordan, Syria, and Egypt pose no threat to Israel. They at the current time probably aren't willing to do anything that will jeopardize the lives of their soldiers considering the current state of the middle east. It would be far to costly to them to invade, in terms of both equipment and manpower.

Neither does Iran, and they sure won't use Nuclear weapons for one reason, even though they said they would. Speaking from an Islamic standpoint, Iran more than likely would not endanger the lives of other Arabs. And, it would render the country useless for years.

The biggest enemy as I said is hate.

Originally Posted by usinfantryMOS11c10

And technically I am still on topic, since I believe that Israel's greatest enemy to be, hate= Anti Semitism= Anti- Zionism, It's all the same.

Excuses, we don't need to hear the old hackneyed excuses trotted out again. The world is sick of it. Even honest Jews are embarrassed by it.

Zionism Exposed For What It Is

What are you,... anti Goy? I would suggest in all honesty that your argument is a stereotypical misuse of the terms quoted, to attempt to stifle legitimate criticism of Israel's Crimes Against Humanity. This behaviour is being increasingly recognised throughout the world as honest people sicken of this shameless and endless repetition. At last people are saying, "Enough" we've heard this clap trap again and again, ad infinitum.

Yes, Jews per se are detested and distrusted by a great proportion of the world's population. This has been the case for thousands of years and is as true today as it ever was,... did you ever stop to think why this might be?

It does not have to be. Just take a look at the state of the current problems that many non Islamic countries of the world are facing at the moment, and ask yourself why it is so.

Originally Posted by Haaretz 5 May 2006

The Country That Would not Grow up.

But the State of Israel remains curiously (and among Western-style democracies, uniquely) immature. The social transformations of the country - and its many economic achievements - have not brought the political wisdom that usually accompanies age. Seen from the outside, Israel still comports itself like an adolescent: consumed by a brittle confidence in its own uniqueness; certain that no one "understands" it and everyone is "against" it; full of wounded self-esteem, quick to take offense and quick to give it. Like many adolescents Israel is convinced - and makes a point of aggressively and repeatedly asserting - that it can do as it wishes, that its actions carry no consequences and that it is immortal. More,...

Well, since you won't take my word for it. Here's a quote from a man who was way smarter than both you and I, and probably everyone in the forum, and had more experience in the matter.

"Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism"

- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

". . . You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist.' And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--this is God's own truth. "Antisemitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently antisemitic, and ever will be so.
"Why is this? You know that Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered Our Lord. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.
"The Negro people, my friend, know what it is to suffer the torment of tyranny under rulers not of our choosing. Our brothers in Africa have begged, pleaded, requested--DEMANDED the recognition and realization of our inborn right to live in peace under our own sovereignty in our own country.
"How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfilment of God's promise, that his People should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land.
This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.
"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is antisemitism.
"The antisemite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the antisemite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'!
"My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate antisemitism. I know you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and a revulsion for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been misled--as others have been--into thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' and yet remain true to these heartfelt principles that you and I share.
Let my words echo in the depths of your soul: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--make no mistake about it."

Originally Posted by usinfantryMOS11c10

Just one more then..... Perhaps you don't remember 1982 and a small island, belonging to Argentina. Which the British held, and then had to re take. Nothing wrong with that...

I do, it is when the British retook a British Island with the support of its inhabitants from Argentinians who believed they had a "god given" claim to the land, it is a good example but it doesn't back your argument but it does validate Palestinian actions.

Originally Posted by usinfantryMOS11c10

Well, since you won't take my word for it. Here's a quote from a man who was way smarter than both you and I, and probably everyone in the forum, and had more experience in the matter.

"Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism"

- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

That is nice but that is like saying a dislike of red cars = hatred of cars.

You know I had about 5 paragraphs typed up with my full name, my address, my phone #, and so much cursing I was sure to get banned. However Neo-Nazi's such as you three are not worth my time, nor would any of you have the balls to say any anti-semetic remarks to my face.

You will get what you deserve in time!

Originally Posted by usinfantryMOS11c10

You know I had about 5 paragraphs typed up with my full name, my address, my phone #, and so much cursing I was sure to get banned. However Neo-Nazi's such as you three are not worth my time, nor would any of you have the balls to say any anti-semetic remarks to my face.

You will get what you deserve in time!

You should read a little more of world opinion, and you will soon see who is moving inexorably towards getting their comeuppance. The sad thing being that the Israelis are too short sighted and arrogant to see it coming, and don't be so sure of what I would and would not say, I have a name for "saying my piece".

I have a policy of my own regarding people who make threats.
"It is far wiser to fear the man who bites his tongue and bides his time"

If you had taken the time to read past debates on Israel in this forum, you will see that I am of Jewish extraction and have many Jewish relatives here in Australia, who because of my strong interest in family genealogy over 20+ years, has developed firm family friendships, which get me invited to many family celebrations. Even second cousin Jeremy, (I have sent a PM with details) who has been quoted in our papers as Australia's Leading Zionist, respects my right to speak the truth as I see it. We don't agree, but he knows better than to take the matter up one on one, as I can always provide sources for the material that I quote.

Two families of these "rellies" have returned from Israel in the last ten years, primarily because of Israel's policies regarding the treatment of the Palestinians, one family having lived there since 1952 the other since the early 1960s. They loved Israel, but were ashamed that they were part of "The new Holocaust".

Bull..... you are just using that to gain symapthy, for your neo nazi beliefs, which you've allready proven through videos that are as fake as i cant even come up with a word for it.

Originally Posted by usinfantryMOS11c10

You know I had about 5 paragraphs typed up with my full name, my address, my phone #, and so much cursing I was sure to get banned. However Neo-Nazi's such as you three are not worth my time, nor would any of you have the balls to say any anti-semetic remarks to my face.

You will get what you deserve in time!

I wouldn't bet on that, the one thing Aussies and Kiwis have in common is an aversion to being politically correct for the sake of expediency and the love of a good fight, besides you are safe I have little doubt that it would be Spike or myself that suffered the wrath of moderators should it ever progress further.

That being said forums are places of discussion where you try and convince people through force of argument not through threat of violence, you are more than welcome to post via PM anything you believe would other wise get you banned (I am a big boy now I am sure I can take the abuse) but I can't see the point in addresses as neither of us are going to travel 12000km for a fight.

However as I have said we are moving off topic and worst of all starting to derail the thread so perhaps PM's are the only way forward for this discussion?