Human rights ( in military)




 
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November 13th, 2004  
MadeInChina
 

Topic: Human rights ( in military)


Are the good ol Us of A really that caring in human rights?.. Or is china really that human abusive???
November 13th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
For starters they don't roll over unarmed students who are lying down in a square with armored vehicles.
That's a start.
November 13th, 2004  
Airborne Eagle
 
 
Precision,
You obviously have another point to make.
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November 13th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
The prison scandal is the only known human-rights abuse incident by the US military during it's operations in Iraq and Afganistan.

As for inside the country, the only thing known at this time is the "patriot act" law enforcers to prosecute a civilian without all the checks' necessary, such as a search warrant. This was intiated because of 9/11, to help hunt down terror cells within the US. However the FBI has used it to hunt down other criminals, and a few civilians that have yet to be proven guility of anything. The subject is highly controversial, but I don't believe you could claim any "human-rights" violation.

I apologize if my information on the Patriot Act is too vague or incorrect, I have medicore knowledge on the subject.

Edit: Oh, and China, well.... one word. "Tibet"
November 13th, 2004  
MadeInChina
 
Oh ok, so its ok to r*pe girls in both korea and jpan, panama, iraq and kill some of themhttp://academic.udayton.edu/race/06hrights/GeoRegions/NorthAmerica/china06.htm
its also ok to inprison iraqi teens even though they haven done a thing and become sexually harassed later on>?
For many of the US police services to racially disgriminate aginist latino and african americans?
For the us to use agent orange in vietnam in which the aftermath had been thousands killed and millions mentally retarded
FOr the us to masscre hundreds of innocent civilans during the vietnam war?
for The use of DU weapons which spurred cancer and diseases?
For The uncountable times us used force to kill students during riots inthe 60s?
For teh evidence found in previous untold tales of other detainee camp* aka concentration camps?
For tthe abusive prision guards and police men who often beat and kill?


Tibet... a very babraic place before libration, where slavery happened often and the lleader could kill as he pleases, and savage ways of torture was found. China basically librateed the area of those evil, in which is inducing human rights into tibet. Now, it is librated with roads, highways, and peopleno longer starved?? If you go to tibet, u'll find that 5 out of 10 people liked it better after libration.

The tianmen square incident, in which no one was every killed udner tank tracks. If there is no pictures or videos of peopel getting shot at or killed, then there is no evidence. However, afterwards there was blood and ead bodies, which proves that the PLA opened fire. According to various sources, the truth about that incident was that the students, inwhic many werent students, threw moltovs and set up tire fire on the square and on tanks, the PLA was ordered to not fire unless fired upon, and moltoves seemed to be agreesive enough for the PLA to fire. The death toll was not thousands, but the highest was probaly around a hundred, which is not much considering the amount of peopel that could be fitted in tianenmen square.
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The United States butts into the internal affairs of other countries and cultivates its influence in secrecy, infringing upon human rights in other countries. The US Department of Defense launched a research institute for safety cooperation in the western hemisphere, while the predecessor of the institution is Escola Das Americas affiliated with the US Army Forces, which is famous for training Latin American and Caribbean troops to torture suspects, carry out secret executions and mail threatening letters to political dissidents. The school, described by international human rights organizations as a training base for "dictators, hangmen and assassins," trained 56,000 people during the period between 1946 when it was first established, and December of 2000 when it was closed
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November 13th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
You little link doesn't work, slick.

I've never read or heard of rape by the US in Korea, Japan, Panama, or Iraq. I've never heard or read of Iraqi teens being taken prisoner and then being sexually abused. Unless one of those prison victims were underage, which I'm certain they were not.

There has some been some incidents regarding racial discrimination in law enforcement, but it's largely unfounded.

Vietnam, indeed the US profile for Vietnam is sad and disgraceful in many ways, our cause was just, but that does not excuse the various atrocities. Americans knew these things, and our Veterns did not get respect in the initial post-war years, in fact, they were looked down upon. Another unfortunate effect of this was... many of them did nothing wrong.

Curse Cold War China for bringing communism to Vietnam, and curse Cold War US for her atrocities in fighting it.

DU is used as a weapon, weapons hurt people, get over it.

Four were killed and nine were wounded during the 60's protest, better call for the UN.

Evidence? Concentration camps? Oh, you mean like the 300,000 Chinese held in re-eduaction labor camps?

Chinese police never use force to protect the people? My, give China a peace award!

Tibet was forced into assimilation by China, it's culture ravaged and brutal retaliation whenever anything resembling a uprising occured. It is a black part of Chinese history, and much like the US mines scattered across Vietnam, Tibet is still a wrong for China.

That little article of yours is terribly vague, it mentions the group is a affiliate of the US Army in 1946. What exactly does that mean? The US has supported corrupt factions in South America without realizing who they're supporting, then break the ties later when they realize as such. The article fails to make clear what ties the US had with this "predecessor of an affiliate".
November 13th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
See, this is what's great about the Totalitarianist aspect of Communist governments -- you don't have to admit to jack squat. A bloody invasion and fully calculated dismantling of an ancient culture in Tibet becomes a rosey picture where barbaric madmen - frothing at the mouth no doubt - are forcably brought to enlightenment and civility. I suppose the PLA was sprinkling rose petals all over the ground as they went as well.

And you can forget the thousands of refugees of Tianemen Square who DID manage to flee to other nations. Their testimony is not valid because they forgot to videotape it. If the PLA was under attack and never had any intention of doing anything wrong -- why is evidence so thoroughly suppressed? Why did they tell all outside press to get lost right before the whole thing went straight to hell? Were then planning on kindly asking the demonstrators to peacefully disperse, but didn't want anyone else to see it?

The People's Republic of China hasn't a leg to stand on if they want to start criticizing the United States. Tibet alone -- the USA would have to invade and annex most or all of Canada before we'd manage to equal the PRC with Tibet.
November 13th, 2004  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
You know what I love about the United States, we stick our scandals out on the cloth line for everyone to see. We let the world know we screwed up, and we allow all the details to be known. The same cannot be said for your China.

Do you want to know why no one knows the actual body count from Tianemen Square? It's because the Chinese government swept those figures, along with the bodies, under the rug to make China look better. You say around a hundred died while other media outlets say hundreds and even thousands.

You talk about prison scandals. I am guessing you are referring to Abu Ghraib. I will bet you my life that those soldiers were not under orders to do those things. There are sick people in the American society so there will be sick people in our Army. Lets not even begin to think of what goes on in China's prisons. The media is rarely let into those places, so we will never know what really goes on in there, except for the accounts of former prisoners who escape to the US or elsewhere.
November 13th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
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Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
For starters they don't roll over unarmed students who are lying down in a square with armored vehicles.
That's a start.
U mean rolling over students?

All tanks stop for this student:









This is our Tiananmen Square:
November 13th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
The man carrying the plastic bag was not run over.
The students AT Tianemen Square were run over.
American soldiers' crimes in Korea or Japan are individual criminal cases. High command didn't order the GI to go out and rape a local girl. That is a different issue. It happens within the population, and it will happen from time to time with bad apples in the American military.
Abu Grahib, though it was unpopular, is nothing compared to the sort of stuff that happens elsewhere in the world. Did anyone even lose a limb? An eye? A tongue? No. They were given punishments that weren't any worse than a bad fraternity prank. Not cool, but not as bad as people try to tell you it is.


http://www.christusrex.org/www1/sdc/tiananmen.html

This link is evidence for China's crimes in Tianamen Square.