Originally Posted by senojekips

Jews are no more than a religious group who have made themselves unpopular wherever they have gone, Have you ever wondered why there is not similar ill feeling towards lets say,.. The Baptists of the world, or the Methodists. Not even these tax rorting "Charismatic" religions are subjected to the same amount of distrust and dislike as the Jews. Have you ever wondered why this is so?

The most nearest thing to a religion that I can think of is Scientology, which was started in the USA. I guess you feel that they should be entitled to start their own theocratic state, encompassing the best and most valuable land in the USA?

Stop talking rubbish, it belittles you.

so your a jew hater.

you should smell what your shovelin'

Originally Posted by namvet

so your a jew hater.
you should smell what your shovelin'

You need to check your facts before you go dribbling sh!t.

I am of Jewish decent, (non practicing) my Jewish Family history that I recently produced is being held for publication by the Melbourne Chevra Kadisha, and I am also an active member of the Australian Jewish Genealogical Society. I also get regular invitations to attend Passover and other family celebrations with my relatives.

Originally Posted by RayManKiller3

I for one think there probably should be a Jewish state. If you know history, Jews have been persecuted multiple times, by a great deal of religious groups. Romans, then comes the Christians twice. If the society that holds the Jewish community can not protect the Jews from attempts at successful genocide, then maybe it would be best for them to defend and depend only on themselves for safety. That is one of the reasons why the Israel was created.

Have you ever stopped and wondered why the Jewish people have been so unpopular for so long , everywhere that have gone? Why has this just been the case with one religious group?

The world has History already proves that Jews have more more claim to the land than the Palestinians.

Can you supply just one credible source for this? I'll bet you can't, because both you and I know that it is a complete distortion. It has been argued several times on this Forum and so far not one shred of credible evidence could be found to support this blatant lie.

U.S and U.K would have done the same thing I am sure if they had some terrorist group in their backyard. You think U.S will allow humanitarian ships to go to enemies without checking on it when it concerns the imminent threat of U.S civilians. No, we wouldn't!

You have made a realy good point here. When the Brits tried to control the illegal arrival of the European jews into Palestine and the locals also tried to resist, the Jews formed terrorist organisations which killed the legitimate owners to get what they wanted. Something similar to what Al Qaeda is doing around the world today.

List of Irgun attacks 1937-1948
Date
Casualties

1937, March 2 Arabs killed on Bat-Yam beach.

1937, November 14 10 Arabs killed by Irgun units launching attacks around Jerusalem, ("Black Sunday")
1938, April 12 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa.

1938, April 17 1 Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa
1938, May 17 1 Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road.

1938, May 24 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa.
1938, June 23 2 Arabs were killed near Tel-Aviv.

1938, June 26 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa.

1938, June 27 1 Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa.
1938, June (late) Unspecified number of Arabs killed by a bomb that was thrown into a crowded Arab market place in Jerusalem.

1938, July 5 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel-Aviv.
1938, July 5 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem.
1938, July 5 1 Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem.
1938, July 6 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab melon market in Haifa.
1938, July 8 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem.
1938, July 16 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem.
1938, July 25 43 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa.
1938, August 26 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa.
1938, February 27 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem.
1939, May 29 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem.
1939, May 29 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas.

1939, June 2 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem.
1939, June 12 1 British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs killed, during a post office in Jerusalem was bombing
1939, June 16 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem.
1939, June 19 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa.
1939, June 29 13 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks around Jaffa during a one-hour period.
1939, June 30 1 Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem.
1939, June 30 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta.

1939, July 3 1 Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa.
1939, July 4 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem.
1939, July 20 1 Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa.
1939, July 20 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel-Aviv.
1939, July 20 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot.

1939, August 27 2 British officers were killed by a mine in Jerusalem.
1944, September 27 Unknown number of casualties, around 150 Irgun members attacked four British police stations
1944, September 29 1 Senior British police officer of the Criminal Intelligence Department assassinated in Jerusalem.
1945, November 1 5 locomotives destroyed in Lydda station. Two staff, one soldier and one policeman killed.
1945, December 27 3 British policemen and 4 Basuto soldiers killed during the bombing of British CID headquarters in Jerusalem; 1 British soldier killed during attack of British army camp in north Tel Aviv
1946, February 22 Destroyed 14 aeroplanes at 5 RAF stations.
1946, July 22 91 people were killed at King David Hotel Bombing mostly civilians, staff of the hotel or Secretariat,
41 Palestinian Arabs, 15-28 British citizens, 17 Palestinian Jews, 2 Armenians, 1 Russian, 1 Greek and 1 Egyptian.
1946, October 30 2 British guards killed during Gunfire and explosion at Jerusalem Railway Station.
1946, October 31 Bombing of the British Embassy in Rome. Nearly half the building was destroyed and 3 people were injured.
1947, January 12 4 killed in bombing of British headquarters.
1947, March 1 17 British officers killed, during raid and explosion.
1947, March 12 1 British soldier killed during the attack on Schneller Camp.

1947, July 29 2 kidnapped British sergeants hanged.

1947, September 26 4 British policemen killed in Irgun bank robbery.

1947, September 29 13 killed, 53 wounded in attack on British police station.
1947, December 11 13 killed in attack on Tireh, near Haifa
1947, December 12 20 killed, 5 wounded by barrel bomb at Damascus Gate.
1947, December 13 6 killed, 25 wounded by bombs outside Alhambra Cinema.
1947, December 13 5 killed, 47 wounded by two bombs at Damascus Gate.
1947, December 13 7 killed, 10 seriously injured in attack on Yehudieh.
1947, December 16(ca) 10 killed by bomb at Noga Cinema in Jaffa.
1947, December 20 6 Arabs killed, dozens wounded by bomb at Haifa refinery, precipitating the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre, which lead to the Balad al-Shaykh massacre.

1947, December 29 14 Arabs killed by bomb in Jerusalem.
1948, January 1 2 Arabs killed and 9 injured by shooting attack on cafe in Jaffa.
1948, January 5 14 Arabs killed and 19 injured by truck bomb outside the 3-storey 'Serrani', Jaffa's built Ottoman Town Hall
1948, January 7 20 Arabs killed by bomb at Jaffa Gate.
1948, February 10 7 Arabs killed near Ras el Ain after selling cows in Tel Aviv
1948, February 18 12 Arabs killed and 43 wounded at a marketplace in Ramla

1948, March 1 20 Britons killed and 30 wounded in the Bevingrad Officers Club bombing
1948, April 9-April 11 107-120 Palestinians killed and massacred (the estimate generally accepted by scholars, instead the first announced number of 254) during and after the battle at the village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, by 132 Irgun and 60 Lehi fighters.

1948, April 6 7 British soldiers, including Commanding Officer, killed during an arms raid on Pardes Hanna Army camp.

Originally Posted by senojekips

You need to check your facts before you go dribbling sh!t.

I am of Jewish decent, (non practicing) my Jewish Family history that I recently produced is being held for publication by the Melbourne Chevra Kadisha, and I am also an active member of the Australian Jewish Genealogical Society. I also get regular invitations to attend Passover and other family celebrations with my relatives.


Have you ever stopped and wondered why the Jewish people have been so unpopular for so long , everywhere that have gone? Why has this just been the case with one religious group?

Can you supply just one credible source for this? I'll bet you can't, because both you and I know that it is a complete distortion. It has been argued several times on this Forum and so far not one shred of credible evidence could be found to support this blatant lie.

You have made a realy good point here. When the Brits tried to control the illegal arrival of the European jews into Palestine and the locals also tried to resist, the Jews formed terrorist organisations which killed the legitimate owners to get what they wanted. Something similar to what Al Qaeda is doing around the world today.

so you don't practice the religion just the genealogy. your invited but don't go??? your on the fence. Hilter and the Nazi's practiced genealogy. did you know that??? they also recruited Muslims to hunt down jews. this dog don't hunt

How to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict; let time go on and education rise in the surrounding areas, as we just may see this disappear

LMAO !!!

Originally Posted by senojekips

I am of Jewish decent, (non practicing) my Jewish Family history that I recently produced is being held for publication by the Melbourne Chevra Kadisha, and I am also an active member of the Australian Jewish Genealogical Society. I also get regular invitations to attend Passover and other family celebrations with my relatives.

Sorry man, but being Jewish descent don't mean you can't be anti-jew. There are blacks that hate blacks, whites that hate whites, etc.

Originally Posted by senojekips

Have you ever stopped and wondered why the Jewish people have been so unpopular for so long , everywhere that have gone? Why has this just been the case with one religious group?

Two main reasons why as far as I know (religiously):

1. The jews established themselves as "god's chosen people"

2. The Jews are almost entirely (if not completely) responsible for the death of Jesus. Many people find this contradictory. How can someone who responsible for Jesus's death be "god's chosen people".

3. Most people of today's world is eithe biased, ignorant, and/or fanatical. These people fall prey to propaganda against Jews.

4. Jews complain that anyone against them is anti-semetic (at least this is what I hear in politics), which is equivalent in how black people say a white guy who critisize them are racist. People get annoyed hearing this, which causes stereotypes. Of course both of these are pretty incorrect.

Originally Posted by senojekips

Can you supply just one credible source for this? I'll bet you can't, because both you and I know that it is a complete distortion. It has been argued several times on this Forum and so far not one shred of credible evidence could be found to support this blatant lie.

I read plenty of posts made by others and found that a great deal of what they said is in fact true. Of course though, the opposite side will try to say this is incorrect. Like I said before, one will use anything to state that they are right and their opposition is wrong. I just find that The Jewish history is far less far-fetched that it is quite believable.

Originally Posted by senojekips

You have made a realy good point here. When the Brits tried to control the illegal arrival of the European jews into Palestine and the locals also tried to resist, the Jews formed terrorist organisations which killed the legitimate owners to get what they wanted. Something similar to what Al Qaeda is doing around the world today.

When I say Palestinian is wrong for their terrorism, I am specifically talking about those said groups who take part in the activity. I don't see why you bought up Jewish as being terrorist, as anyone can be a terrorist. United States have home grown terrorism too, does not mean we all take part in it. I just believe one should take measures to ensure their citizen's safety. Unfortunately for the British and Palestinians, they didn't think of this. I am not saying "attack indiscriminately", I am saying one should protect their citizens and if seizing humanitarian ships before letting the aid get to them is necessary, then by all means they should be able to do it (of course the aid MUST make it to those in need of it).

With that said, I don't get why you even brought that up.

Originally Posted by namvet

LMAO !!!

I know, I almost laughed when I was typing it myself, but that is the only way I see anything stablizing there. It was education that stabilized the countries we are in now, we can only hope the same can be done for them. Any other action can possibly lead to further confrontation of those in the region.

Time is the best healer for everything so long as people are willing to do what is necessary to make that time worth it.

The French also were responsible for the death of Jews in the holocaust (thank you Vichy government). Like I stated before, this is why Britain gave Israel its own state; no one was able to protect Jews from being persecuted and Genocide.

There is a reason why they are called the Jewish people.

It's pretty much common knowledge that Jews are more than just a religion; they are a people, a nation...or do you disagree with just about every historian on that subject?

your last comment seems overtly antisemitic, blaming Jews for people disliking them...

Originally Posted by RayManKiller3

Sorry man, but being Jewish descent don't mean you can't be anti-jew. There are blacks that hate blacks, whites that hate whites, etc.

I'm talking about people not some imaginary idiots that live in your imagination. I'm anti me?... you are delusional.

Two main reasons why as far as I know (religiously):

1. The jews established themselves as "god's chosen people"

2. The Jews are almost entirely (if not completely) responsible for the death of Jesus. Many people find this contradictory. How can someone who responsible for Jesus's death be "god's chosen people".

3. Most people of today's world is eithe biased, ignorant, and/or fanatical. These people fall prey to propaganda against Jews.

4. Jews complain that anyone against them is anti-semetic (at least this is what I hear in politics), which is equivalent in how black people say a white guy who critisize them are racist. People get annoyed hearing this, which causes stereotypes. Of course both of these are pretty incorrect.

Firstly i am not religious so none of this applies to me, secondly all of this anti Jewish bias supposedly started before most of the things you quote even occured.

I would suggest you look at the behaviour of the Israelis in the current shitefite to get some idea of why they are despised and distrusted and I suggest have been for millenia. Then read the article by the eminent Jewish Professor of History at NYU, Tony Judt "The Country That wouldn't Grow Up"

By the age of 58 a country – like a man – should have achieved a certain maturity. After nearly six decades of existence we know, for good and for bad, who we are, what we have done and how we appear to others, warts and all. We acknowledge, however reluctantly and privately, our mistakes and our shortcomings. And though we still harbor the occasional illusion about ourselves and our prospects, we are wise enough to recognize that these are indeed for the most part just that: illusions. In short, we are adults. But the State of Israel remains curiously (and among Western-style democracies, uniquely) immature. The social transformations of the country – and its many economic achievements – have not brought the political wisdom that usually accompanies age.Due to it's length I won't post it here but you can find the remainder here: http://israelblog.com/1147619908/

When I say Palestinian is wrong for their terrorism, I am specifically talking about those said groups who take part in the activity. I don't see why you bought up Jewish as being terrorist, as anyone can be a terrorist. United States have home grown terrorism too, does not mean we all take part in it. I just believe one should take measures to ensure their citizen's safety. Unfortunately for the British and Palestinians, they didn't think of this. I am not saying "attack indiscriminately", I am saying one should protect their citizens and if seizing humanitarian ships before letting the aid get to them is necessary, then by all means they should be able to do it (of course the aid MUST make it to those in need of it).

With that said, I don't get why you even brought that up.

I bought it up because it was part of showing the stupidity of your argument supporting Piracy on the high seas and the murder of people undertaking humanitarian aid, by a group who are always so eager to tell us how the Palestinians are terrorists for planting bombs that kill innocent civilians.

Pretty simple really.

Originally Posted by benaakatz

There is a reason why they are called the Jewish people.

It's pretty much common knowledge that Jews are more than just a religion; they are a people, a nation...or do you disagree with just about every historian on that subject?

your last comment seems overtly antisemitic, blaming Jews for people disliking them...

Ben you are talking crap again, I am one of the Australian "people", we are also a "nation" but we have no singular religious affiliation.

There is only one defining factor that makes one a Jew, and that is that they follow the Jewish faith. Judaism is a religion and nothing more. I am of Jewish decent, but I am not a Jew, because I do not follow the faith, nor did my parents. I know that certain groups say that you must have a Jewish matrimonial line etc, but of course that leaves out all those apostates though the ages, and that would decimate the whole idea.

You mayas well stop the stupidity about anti semitism, no one believes it any more. It used to be the classic Jewish line, used to kill otherwise justifiable criticism, the world has got over it, and now it has become a laughing stock. Any criticism of Israel or the Jews is immediately met with the claim of Anti Semitism regardless of it's validity. The phrase has become totally meaningless.

Originally Posted by senojekips

I'm talking about people not some imaginary idiots that live in your imagination. I'm anti me?... you are delusional.

Firstly i am not religious so none of this applies to me, secondly all of this anti Jewish bias supposedly started before most of the things you quote even occured.

I would suggest you look at the behaviour of the Israelis in the current shitefite to get some idea of why they are despised and distrusted and I suggest have been for millenia. Then read the article by the eminent Jewish Professor of History at NYU, Tony Judt "The Country That wouldn't Grow Up"
I bought it up because it was part of showing the stupidity of your argument supporting Piracy on the high seas and the murder of people undertaking humanitarian aid, by a group who are always so eager to tell us how the Palestinians are terrorists for planting bombs that kill innocent civilians.

Pretty simple really.

You CAN be anti-yourself you do realize this right? It is not delusional nor impossible (in fact I would say its delusional to not accept this fact, as some people are truely that uneducated/ignorant/stupid, whichever suites your fancy). There are those that truely hosts hatred for their own kind. Not saying YOU are, I am saying that just because somone is Jewish doesn't make them right or impossible to hold anti-jewish feelings.

If I sounded like I support Piracy or murder then forgive me, but I still believe in the fact that if you can kill in defense they can kill you as well. I am saying that under the circumstances they were in, they could have easily prevented those deaths (given the Israelis could have as well). You know what? Screw it, this will take forever, lets just agree to disagree. We are both stubborn people and will believe what we believe.

As for what I said not applying to you, it wasn't directly applied to you. Those are just things I know of for fact and have experienced in my life time. I didn't try to go back yonder to see why else they were hated.

The Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎‎ ISO 259-3 Yhudim Israeli pronunciation [jehu'dim]), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East.

it's quite simple really.

I am an ashkenazi Jew, that is my ethnicity. I am not a german or russian or pole.

you are...dead wrong...