Chinese T-98 MBT vs American M1A1 - Page 7




 
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July 6th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
In your above 2 posts, you made a lot mistakes but I don't have enough time to point them out, and I am sure you like to believe in what you "think" while simply ignoring facts, T-98 is a Chinese designed MBT, it may has some influence from other tanks, but then what's the point? When you have mastered the technology then it is yours. Don't tell me I don't know how much American military tech is based on old Nazi Germany

When discussion off tracks to flaming like bs, then it has not much sense more to "discuss". BTW, PLA knows "how" strong US military really is since Korea War, so don't tell me how advanced US weapons really are, Iraqi peasant shoot down Apache with a single AK47 bullet

And in the case T-98 vs M1A1, you can NOT convince me at all that M1A1 is better than T-98 in technical sense.

The Truth is there, you may just not "want" to face it, btw, who cares
July 6th, 2004  
Big_Z
 
 
Lol nice If China designed that tank from scratch then i'm impressed but there is no chance in hell id ride in it. I'm confused how America would use Nazi tech. The only thing we use from nazi's is the blitzkrieg which we use pretty damn well. Id also like to point out that war has changed allot in the past 55 years. I'm not disrespecting you but i like how you come back with insults to me. I post things and the topic seems to end so keep it going. Prove me how i'm wrong and why the Chinese tech is better then America's. And to your question even Iraqis get lucky sometimes. Nobody knows how much power our military has but the military itself. Not even our own President knows everything that goes on.
July 6th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Z
Lol nice If China designed that tank from scratch then i'm impressed but there is no chance in hell id ride in it. I'm confused how America would use Nazi tech. The only thing we use from nazi's is the blitzkrieg which we use pretty damn well. Id also like to point out that war has changed allot in the past 55 years. I'm not disrespecting you but i like how you come back with insults to me. I post things and the topic seems to end so keep it going. Prove me how i'm wrong and why the Chinese tech is better then America's. And to your question even Iraqis get lucky sometimes. Nobody knows how much power our military has but the military itself. Not even our own President knows everything that goes on.
lol

T-98 is designed and produced by PLA itself from scratch, no single foreign workers are working in Chinese tanks factory

Just the Nazi rocket tech is enough for USA
How many nazi scientists were caught to US?

Oh dear, have I ever said Chinese military tech is better than Americans? Give yourself a bit confidence, USA is still on TOP in almost all fields But this will NOT last forever, others are coming too.

Oh yes, American tech, do you know how many Chinese scientists are in charge of the ALL TOPPEST American military/space institutes? Amazings a lot, well they are also Americans
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July 6th, 2004  
Big_Z
 
 
Believe me nothing could break my confidence. Yea we took the scientist what country wouldn't? America isn't the "white man" its everybody combined thats what makes us so powerful. All other countries are this or that but America is a bit of everyone thats where we gain our might. We thurst for knowledge and we welcome all the smartest people to join us. We refuse to be second place and we are willing to spend any amount of money to make sure we aren't.
July 6th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Z
Believe me nothing could break my confidence. Yea we took the scientist what country wouldn't? America isn't the "white man" its everybody combined thats what makes us so powerful. All other countries are this or that but America is a bit of everyone thats where we gain our might. We thurst for knowledge and we welcome all the smartest people to join us. We refuse to be second place and we are willing to spend any amount of money to make sure we aren't.
Yeah, that's also why I respect USA a lot

Sure I hope the best for USA, but I also hope the best for other countries
July 6th, 2004  
Snauhi
 
i just replaying to Sam's post

(There are few MBT vs MBT combat examples of the capability of Russian KE rounds against western tanks (this shapes my decision favoring western armor protection ability), as there are western KE rounds performance against Russian armor (Abrams and Challenger vs T-72 in Gulf War).


I don't think that's a fair comparison since Iraqi T-72s had clone BM-15s at best. That's sabot from the early 70's. Abrams had 20 years newer ammunition.


(If you have a platoon of M1A2s moving to contact with a platoon of T-90s, with well trained Russian crews. The M1A2s have a great advantage with their highly superior optics, gun, ammo, communications, armor.)


Superior optics? I guess he means thermal imagers or.....? AFAIK the new french thermal on T-90 is actually better than the one on M1A2. Better gun? That's arguable, I think boils down more to the ammunition where it does have an advantage. Communications? I doubt latest Russian radios are far behind western ones, does anybody here have more information on latest Russian tank radios.


(The problam which kills the T-90s is the poor quality of the gun(Russian manufacturing is inifior to the US) that means less propelent and thus a lower velocity)


Do you have any proof to back that up? I seriously doubt that..


(Ok well now we can say the M1 will win hands dow? No. you can't it depends on the crew and the battle conditions(though the M1 can function any where)


And T-90 cannot? Why not?

(Plus, the missile defense systems give the T-90 maybe an advantage against modern ATGMs, but the Marine M1A1 has one too, so it's probably not much time before the M1A2 gets one)


The marine ATGM defence system is light-years behind Sthora, which really isn't the latest technology either...
July 6th, 2004  
Uncle_Sam
 
 
From those specifications Frogy said, M1 is better, except for the gun 5mm +.................... But Abrams is better!
July 6th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
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Originally Posted by BmrSooner451
Dont forget that the M1A2 supposadly has DU in/for it's armor, or even cereamic armor, chumbum i think it's called but i do not remember
You mean the "Chobham".

Ceramic armor is good. But I know little about composite armour.

T-98 uses multi-layered ceramic composite armor.
July 6th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
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Originally Posted by Big_Z
"The latter two MBTs also are fitted with a JD-3 integrated laser rangefinder/warning/self-defense device also called a "dazzler" which uses a high-powered laser to directly attack the enemy weapon's optics and gunner" is that a joke?
But honestly, I do think this is not a joke. I checked some sources again, like this:

The Type 98 features an JD-3 integrated laser rangefinder/warning/self-defence device. Unlike contemporary Russian active tank self-defense systems like Drozd, Drozd-2, and Arena, which launch projectiles to disable or "shoot-down" incoming anti-tank missiles and projectiles, the Chinese system apparently uses a high-powered laser to directly attack the enemy weapon's optics and gunner.

The system includes what appears to be a laser warning receiver (LWR - the dome-shaped device on the turret roof behind the commander's position), that warns the crew that their tank is being illuminated by an enemy range-finding or weapon-guidance laser. The turret of the tank can then be traversed to face the direction of the enemy threat, and the laser self-defence weapon (LSDW - the box-shaped device on the turret roof behind the gunner's position), can be employed against the source of the enemy laser.

The procedure of the laser weapon would first use a low-powered beam to locate the optics of the enemy weapon. Once the enemy weapon was located, the power level of the laser would be immediately and dramatically increased. Such an attack would disable the guidance optics of the enemy weapon and/or damage the eyesight of the enemy gunner.

The available photos of the Type 98 have also confirmed that the laser weapon can be elevated to a higher angle than the tank's main gun, indicating that the engagement of attack helicopters is possible. In addition, the laser device could also be used for communications between friend tanks.
July 6th, 2004  
AlexKall
 
"Ok well now we can say the M1 will win hands dow? No. you can't it depends on the crew and the battle conditions (though the M1 can function any where)"

That is a big NO!

You can also use laser to "defeat" optics, although it doesn't actually defeat it, it dazzle it(hence the name), thats right it confuses it

And yes the American defence industry uses manufactures all over the world, for example the F/A 18 Super Hornet gets parts from Volvo.