2dold4this said:That is a straw man argument, Ollie. No one has claimed that the M4 was not inferior to other tanks, only that it was superior to some. That would exclude it from being the "worst piece of crap tank."
I agree...but I just wanted to show how SHAEF viewed the subject. It might be better to explain why states produced the tanks that they did and why. Just condemning something as crappy because it was slow or undergunned seems difficult.
If I remember correctly, a few people did use the "victory thesis", however. I have also seen it used time and time again. Not really a straw argument...but, granted, a little bit.
Anyway, I was talking about Anglo-Saxon tanks in general. Ie. most everything used during WWII. The tank crews were constantly complaining. Maybe we should accept the criticisms of the men who used the tanks...they called them moreorless crappy.
I have seen the visible difference between German/Soviet/Anglo-Saxon tanks. Standing beside them gives you a good "feel" for the subject. Soviet tanks, forget everything but size, were HUGE.