Who is terrorist and who isn't?

viper2007 said:
Hi Alex,

Is somewhat a wonderful world we live in, doesn't it? I come from a place where we would have hang this chap. But that is Singapore, and he was tried in Norway- and they have mete out justice as they say fit.

I have no right to tell them- hang the bastard... That is Norwegian justice system. You have to respect that.
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What would be your opinion if they sentenced him to 10 years instead of 21 years?
If you respect to their judiciary system, you should do this for all others countries systems too. Different countries have different rules and their rules are based on their people's demands.
For example should we respect to Taliban rules when they governed in Afghanistan and Afghan people did agree with their rules?
 
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Yes different countries have diff rules and that should be respected but here you are comparing 2 opposites.Taliban are nuisance to world and their own people,they have no respect at all.their may be some people agreeing with them but a very large part don't and don't want them in existence.
 
hamidreza said:
What would be your opinion if they sentenced him to 10 years instead of 21 years?
If you respect to their judiciary system, you should do this for all others countries systems too. Different countries have different rules and their rules are based on their people's demands.
For example should we respect to Taliban rules when they governed in Afghanistan and Afghan people did agree with their rules?
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Hahahaha... you are really one for the books, aren't you Hamid???

Ok, first thing first... whether thye jail him for ten years or 100 years, that is not for you and me to question- that is decided by the court of a freely elected governement, based on their judiciary system.

Yes, different country has different rules, I agree on that, too!

With regards to the Taliban, the rules that they apply to whomever they rule- are those rules really the Sharia as it is meant to be? Are those rules acceptable to the rules of humanity? Because if you say that I should condone the Taliban form of rule, then you must also tell me that the Hitler's rule of Germany in WWII is indeed acceptable. Is this what you are trying to say. You condone what Hitler did? You accept that the killing of innocents are accepted? Because if you say the Taliban is right in its action, then Hitler is justified in what he did... I really like to hear from you with regards to this...

The Taliban just executed by decapitation (beheading, in case you are not familiar with that term, Hamid) a bunch of people. Their crime- having a party. This is acceptable to you, Hamid? Beheading someone without trial, this is acceptable to you, Hamid? Where does it say in the Quran that beheading somene for having a party is a accepted act?

On the same note, please enlightened me, where does it say in the Quran that women are not allowed to compete with men in the field of atheletics, education, and bussiness?

I await your response, Hamid...
 
viper2007 said:
Hi Alex,

Is somewhat a wonderful world we live in, doesn't it? I come from a place where we would have hang this chap. But that is Singapore, and he was tried in Norway- and they have mete out justice as they say fit.

I have no right to tell them- hang the bastard... That is Norwegian justice system. You have to respect that.
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Sir, you are perfectly right... and let me say that I admire your respect for the other countries' institutions.

Have a good evening, Sir.
Alex
 
I am with you on this. Many wont like to take that POV, though, EfaE and TfaT still prevails in our tribal instincts.

For me, Norway and its Justice system has shone brightly in this difficult to judge issue, hats off.

Rattler

alessandro.pirisinu said:
...for me a judiciary system that avenges the victims is simply unconceivable ...

G'day, Sir
Alex
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viper2007 said:
Hahahaha... you are really one for the books, aren't you Hamid???

Ok, first thing first... whether thye jail him for ten years or 100 years, that is not for you and me to question- that is decided by the court of a freely elected governement, based on their judiciary system.

Yes, different country has different rules, I agree on that, too!

With regards to the Taliban, the rules that they apply to whomever they rule- are those rules really the Sharia as it is meant to be? Are those rules acceptable to the rules of humanity? Because if you say that I should condone the Taliban form of rule, then you must also tell me that the Hitler's rule of Germany in WWII is indeed acceptable. Is this what you are trying to say. You condone what Hitler did? You accept that the killing of innocents are accepted? Because if you say the Taliban is right in its action, then Hitler is justified in what he did... I really like to hear from you with regards to this...

The Taliban just executed by decapitation (beheading, in case you are not familiar with that term, Hamid) a bunch of people. Their crime- having a party. This is acceptable to you, Hamid? Beheading someone without trial, this is acceptable to you, Hamid? Where does it say in the Quran that beheading somene for having a party is a accepted act?

On the same note, please enlightened me, where does it say in the Quran that women are not allowed to compete with men in the field of atheletics, education, and bussiness?

I await your response, Hamid...
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[FONT=&quot][/FONT] I don’t know their rules are the Sharia or Quran and it is not important for me. It is important for me to know what percent of Afghan people do agree with these rules. For example if many of Afghans don’t agree with women athletics competition or things like that, nobody should blame them.
Certainly they are more care about their society security and health than me or you and they know which rules are betters for them. The same as Norwegians who recognized 21 years imprisonment was the best sentence for a person who killed 77 people.
 
hamidreza said:
I don’t know their rules are the Sharia or Quran and it is not important for me. It is important for me to know what percent of Afghan people do agree with these rules. For example if many of Afghans don’t agree with women athletics competition or things like that, nobody should blame them.
Certainly they are more care about their society security and health than me or you and they know which rules are betters for them. The same as Norwegians who recognized 21 years imprisonment was the best sentence for a person who killed 77 people.
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Thank you for your response, Hamid.

Yes, I would agree with you to some extent that it is for them to decide. However, I do not have issues if you say the reason for forbiding certain things are based on cultural or tribal beliefs, but do not use religion as an excuse. That is something I do not accept, because Islam has never forbade the pursuit of knowledge. This is somethin that every country should consider, even yours.
 
hamidreza said:
What would be your opinion if they sentenced him to 10 years instead of 21 years?
If you respect to their judiciary system, you should do this for all others countries systems too. Different countries have different rules and their rules are based on their people's demands.
For example should we respect to Taliban rules when they governed in Afghanistan and Afghan people did agree with their rules?
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A judiciary system must be equal for al people. There are countries were that juciciary system is based on religion, and religion is not equal to all people.
 
I think we (speaking for American's) are so worried about Islamic terriorists we fail to see we are currently living in a terror-filled country. When you walk into a supermarket or movie theater or drive down a street and you have to worry about some crazed gunman shooting you down...isn't that state of mind the definition of terrorism?

We are suffering far more loss of life from our own crazies than all of the Islamic terror strikes on us (USA) put together.

"2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization."
 
pixiedustboo said:
I think we (speaking for American's) are so worried about Islamic terriorists we fail to see we are currently living in a terror-filled country. When you walk into a supermarket or movie theater or drive down a street and you have to worry about some crazed gunman shooting you down...isn't that state of mind the definition of terrorism?

We are suffering far more loss of life from our own crazies than all of the Islamic terror strikes on us (USA) put together.

"2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization."
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It is often benificial to keep a populace concerned and worried about a particular threat in order to justify obscene political movements or mistakes.

Insert Nazi, Communists, Colonial, Red Coat, Terriosts , Drug Lord Here.
 
Yossarian said:
It is often benificial to keep a populace concerned and worried about a particular threat in order to justify obscene political movements or mistakes.

Insert Nazi, Communists, Colonial, Red Coat, Terriosts , Drug Lord Here.
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Very much agrees with you on this...

A terrorist do not need to actually carry out the act, the mere fear or anxiety that such may actually occur, and we have to do something out of this fear, and the terrorist have actually achieve their objective.

Most of the time, effort is wasted on dealing with the people carrying out this henious act. To me, that will not solve it. You want to solve it- you go after the schmucks that originate the plan- and do it in such a way that the next SOB who even thinks about it, will rethink his actions even before he contemplate it. That is why I applaude the people who takes this preemptive action- be it the US, the Israelis, whoever... I know there will be people who say that we cannot do this and we cannot do that, but I, for one, will tell you to do it... Deal with them on their own terms, and they will know that 2 can play the same... We have been to lenient and too soft in our dealing with terrorist...

So, coming back to the topic of who is a terrorist and who is not- by that question, my definition is this- as long as you have someone whose agenda is to disrupt the harmony and well being of the community- that guy is a terrorist. By that definition, I would also regard a drug dealer as a terrorist.
 
VDKMS said:
In my point of view, religion should only be teached to adults. Let the people first learn to think for themselves before they get the rules of a religion.
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I wish more people thought like you.

I was raised Christian, my husband raised Muslim. We both have left our religions and plan on raising our children with the knowledge of Spirit, and with as little knowledge of hatred as we are able.

This comment of yours makes me think back to my bible school days and hearing about Noah's Ark. Such a fun children's story, don't you think? It horrifies me that people teach Noah's Ark to their children as sweet bedtime stories.

In the end anyone who holds religion as an extreme in their life is a potentional terrorist, be it a Christian, Muslim or Jew.

As for the USA, I think the majority of terrorism is coming from our own people, with or without religion.
 
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-- Dusty said:
I think that sums it up VERY well. I have heard so many people talk about how Islam is this and Islam is that, but they fail to pay any attention to the other religions. I'm a Christian, and you would never catch me doing the stuff many self-professed Christians have done. Like hurting or killing people because of race or color.

Ok, ok. I can understand wanting to use democrats for target practice. :whip: That's a regional cultural thing really. :rockin:
But not over something stupid like race color or creed. Or religion. I have said this for as long as I can remember, since BEFORE I served in the early 90s- Fredom of Religion ain't just for Christians, and it ain't just for Americans. So idiots think I'm saying it's ok to be a Hari Krhishna in Boogiewoogieville BFE. AFAIC if it's legal in that place, fine. But I'm talking about in America. In America, if you're from Boogiewoogieville BFE and you wanna be a tithe paying member of the Flying Spaghetti Monster Church, have at it.

And I have not a problem in busting caps or knees on those that unlawfully interfere with the lawful pursuit of religion. I gave my oath to protect and preserve the US Constitution and I sure don't recall seeing an expiration date on that oath.

As for the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Gimme the spaghetti and lots of parmesian cheese. And Dr. Pepper. And I'm happy. :dive:
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LOL...Dusty you are a hoot! :bravo:
 
I don't think every muslim is terrorists. But some muslim extremist in Iraq and Chechnya cut down the heads of hostage use knife, and show on the internet vedio. So many people in other countries think muslim are brutal.
 
Germany and Iraq. Suicide bombers in Iraq take the price.

Then it's Germany how are smallest terrorist's. Police in Germany can take a fight with terrorist's from Middle East. Take a razzia.
 
If you want who the real terroristas are, look at the stupid people out there. I mean, the REALLY stupid people. You know, people that are so stupid that they think there is nothing more to this world than their own neighborhood because they never lived anywhere else.

I moved to a new town almost a year ago. And out of curiosity, I asked for a tour of the local power plant. And I got it! I enjoyed the tour and I met some fine individuals that work there. Very efficient plant.

So then I asked for a tour of the water treatment plant. You know, the place that processes the water I drink, cook with, bathe in, stuff like that. And the city said no. Actually, more like "NO, because you are a terrorist." Yes, literally. By the city councilwoman that has NEVER lived outside this community. A small community, population of maybe 1,200.

Trust me, a REAL terrorist group won't waste their time here. If they did anything to this town, the county and the state would likely give them a medal.

So now you're puzzled "what the hell is Dusty talking about?!?!?!" Simple- Stupidity. Just as that woman is stupid, so are the terrorists. They have a problem with the US, so they set off a car bomb in front of a store...in their country. They don't like what the UK has done, what then? They slaughter children after stripping them naked and setting them on fire.

We have our terrorists here just as they have theirs over there.
 
I agree, terrorism is more than just a Muslim thing. The severe lack of education of the basic principals of decency can turn anybody into a terrorist. The act of war is an act of terrorism. It is an end to a means.
Weather we like it or not, the one who is doing the act feels it is his or his "Causes" best interest. The group on the receiving end of it, "Victim" feels he has been terrorized.
Pointing a M-4 at a group of people to get them to move is by definition terrorism. A nuke, I.E.D., drive by shooting, car bomb, hijacked plane, it is all the same.
The "terrorist" will justify his actions to his cause, or orders, what ever. The "victim" is still either dead or wounded. ALL governments and religions have used the tactic for eons. The friends, families, countrymen, of the victim all get upset. But, alas, we beat our chests, and we whine because it wasn't nice.
I am guilty of being on both sides of this issue. In '91 I called in airstrikes on Iraqi positions. I was in uniform. To the surviving Iraqi's, terrorized?
During that same war, Myself and 8 more had 11 T-72 tanks move to within 10 yards of our hide sight. Was I terrorized? Hmmm? Scared the livin **** out of me.
Would I drop a bomb in downtown Baghdad to get Saddam? Yes. Would it have Caused the civilians to feel terrorized? Yes. Would it possibly kill innocent bystanders? Probably. Would it be an act of war, or terrorism?
It all is, the way it is. If we want to stop terrorism, then we need to all get on the same page. We know that will never happen. It's like the idea of world peace. As long as there are humans on the planet, it can't happen.
We can counter it. Or try to. That is all. The largest group comes from the Muslim end of the world. There are plenty of others as well.
If the Muslims want their religion to be a peaceful one, then THEY need to take it back from the ones who are perverting it.
Then, when they do that, it will end a lot of B.S. The only other way is full scale world war. And the forcible change, which, still will not cure the problem totally.
How ever we look at the situation, it is all killing. We are human beings, we are predators by nature. We will continue to do this as long as we are on the planet.
Do I condone "TERRORISM"? Depends. Do I understand the realities of life? Yes. Will somebody try to use the tactic on my family? I pray not. Will I retaliate if they do? Of course. Will I target the aggressor? More than likely. If I can't get to him, will I go after the people in my way to get him? Will that act be construed as terrorism or just war?
I wonder where the lines were drawn? Or are there any? I feel that if one is to chose a side and fight, one must be willing to die for that side he chose. A soldier in uniform, a partisan, a Merc, or even them fools in the Taliban.
We here say "They wont slug it out with us. They wont face us man to man" Hell, I am sure I have said it. But what is the difference than them using an IED or me lasing a target from 2 miles away and shoving a Tomahawk up their asses? I, personally, don't want to go toe with bayonets. Does that make me a cowherd? Staying out of my ACOG, does that make them cowherds?
We feel we are justified, they feel they are. So what then are we to do? Fight to the death? Stand back and let them attack? Somebody got an answer? I don't.
 
pixiedustboo said:
I think we (speaking for American's) are so worried about Islamic terriorists we fail to see we are currently living in a terror-filled country. When you walk into a supermarket or movie theater or drive down a street and you have to worry about some crazed gunman shooting you down...isn't that state of mind the definition of terrorism?


Um? If you live in a Terror Filled Country, you need to move. I live in the same country, and I am not terror filled. But I am living in a DRAMAFILLED country. Full of crybabies and whiners that ***** and complain about how bad they have it. They protest at parks, at wal marts, and at funerals of the fallen. They cry for a punk kid that gets into a fight with a man, that manages to get his weapon and end the fight. They cry for government health care, and are pissed off that they have to pay for it. They blather on and on and on and on about the realities of life that they know nothing about. They follow their little hearts around and tell us all "WE" are wrong for living by the Rights "WE" have fought and bled for. They hug their trees, and live in houses made of wood. They protest against oil, while they drive in cars. They complain of pollution, while they waste oxygen. And they hide behind their lawyers and call the police, when they need help. Then they will sue the police when the police do not suit their ideals.
And worst of all, the idiots think that "WE" are holding this country back, while they are actually dragging Her down.

Merry CHRISTmas, and to all the socialists, please have a good flight!
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