Chukpike
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"Chukpike, as much as you hate the fact that the Waffen SS were a superior fighting force does not take away from its truth."Chukpike, as much as you hate the fact that the Waffen SS were a superior fighting force does not take away from its truth. They committed war crimes as all nations did at the time. What they stood for was rather honourable if you ask me: Loyalty, Honour, Valor.
They were professional soldiers and the reason they are considered "war criminals" is because history is written by the victors. The reason why the Allied nations were never charged with war crimes is for the same reason as above. Don't try to respond with another insult because it will only further your immaturity. There is room for a civilized debate and not for anything else.
1.Where did I ever comment on whether the Waffen SS was good or bad Fighting force? It is irrelevant to the topic. The topic is about their motto.
2. Does not matter whether you think it is OK, honorable, and shows valor to commit war crimes. My opinion is, it is not. Besides the fact you show no instances of their Honor, Valor, Loyalty. What do you base your opinion on?
And has all ready been pointed out:
("Meine Ehre heißt Treue"
Literary it means "My honour is called loyalty" but the meaning is closer "My honour is loyalty"
Motto/saying comes from Hitler's letter to SS kommendant Kurt Daluegelle in 1931. There was sentence-ending "...SS-man, your loyalty is your honour" and Heinrich Himmler took that sentence from letter and came up with that motto.
btw; that motto is forbidden and punishable by law in Germany and Austria even today.) quote Torkku in the Unit Branch Mottos topics.
This "loyalty" was to Hitler and not to Germany.
One thing I have learned from this topic is that all the support for the Waffen SS is coming from people in other countries not Germany. The only German who has responded wanted the "good old days under Hitler".
How does your statement:
"They committed war crimes as all nations did at the time.",
prove the Waffen SS had Honor, Loyalty, or Valor? I guess you see war crimes as Honorable?
Do you even have a clue as to what the words mean?
Anyway allready admitted that, "You guys win! The German Waffen SS were a bunch of Choir Boys and WWII did not happen!"
After lljadw pointed out that, "policy of the Wehrmacht was 10 civilians for 1 dead German".
See News article:
"A German court on Tuesday convicted an 88-year-old of murdering three Dutch civilians as part of a Nazi hit squad during World War II, capping six decades of efforts to bring the former Waffen SS man to justice."
http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/former-nazi-hit-man-convicted-t82531.html
Here is an example of Waffen SS Honor, Valor, & Loyalty.
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