The Reserves and NG

K

kiani123

New Member
I have been thinking for awhile that I wanted to join the Reserves or National Guard.

What has better benefits and which has higher chances of being deployed to Iraq?

:m16:
 
Both have basically the same benefits.

The National Guard however, may provide additional benefits from the State, because it is a State organization until the unit is Federalized..

In today's world both probably have the same chances of being deployed any where.
 
Last edited:
kiani123 said:
Thank you, does anyone know what are the chances you will be deployed from experience?
Click to expand...

It depends on your MOS. If you're afraid of getting deployed, don't join at all. If you can't wait to get deployed, don't join at all. We need neither cowards nor Rambos in the military.

If you're asking out of sheer curiosity, then see my first answer. Your MOS and the current needs of the military determine the possibility of deployment. If you're a cook and we are short cooks overseas, the chance is pretty good you'll get deployed. If you're Infantry and we're not mobilizing new units for deployment, your chances are slim.

Join to serve your nation in whatever capacity she needs you in at the moment. No other reason is adequate for joining.
 
Maybe he wants something that deploys.
When I asked about dates and procedures here, a lot of folks mistook me for wanting to avoid service when in fact, I wanted to make sure I was there for all the important parts.
 
the_13th_redneck said:
Maybe he wants something that deploys.
When I asked about dates and procedures here, a lot of folks mistook me for wanting to avoid service when in fact, I wanted to make sure I was there for all the important parts.
Click to expand...

Sorry, Dale, but we are going to disagree here.

If you want to join just to deploy, you're an egghead. If you want to join but do so in fear of deployment, you're an egghead.

There is ONE, VALID reason to join this military. It isn't college money, an easy paycheck, or to go play Rambo with rubber bands and army men from youthful dreams of heroism.

You join out of appreciation to this country and the men and women who served before you and will serve after you. In other words, you join to serve. If that service is pushing paperwork for civilian contractors in Alaska, then that is the need of the military. If that service is taking out bin Laden himself with a sniper rifle, then you did it for the needs of the military. The military does everything for the needs of the country and all those that live here.

I'll say one final thing:

You know me personally, Dale. You've seen my "I love me" wall. So you know where I come from in saying this:

If you're eager to join because you WANT to deploy, you're a f-ing retard. Hollywood is thataway <--------

In real life, deployments wreck lives. There is nothing wrong with wanting to do your share of the duty. But it is NOTHING like this kid thinks it'll be. And the first time his best friend is screaming at the top of his lungs for his mommy while blood gushes from him that no bandage can stop... the first time he escorts and salutes a coffin with a flag over it that once contained a person he laughed with every day... the first time his own mother cries because she has no idea what happened to HIM...

That is when the reality kicks in. But then it is too late. There is no eject button to end the movie that will continue to loop over and over again, haunting every single day of your life.

Anyone who says that they want to join because they want to deploy hasn't the slightest clue of what they want at all. Or, to paraphrase an old adage: "It's all gung-ho until someone gets shot!"

Keep your Rambos. The military doesn't need them.
 
Some folks want to join for those reasons and want an MOS that deploys often. There's nothing wrong with that. Rather have 10 of those than those who scramble for an MOS that doesn't deploy.
Maybe the guy doesn't have a family right now. So while he's single, he'd want things that deploy and maybe later on he'll want something more stable.
 
my dear sirs i would like to ask a question about the US army national guard. since we dont have a system like that here i am interested in how it works and the question i have is, do they have combat troops? and if so do they acually go into combat like say regular army infantry. i googled on this subject but no anwsers found.
 
Mikefrombelgium said:
my dear sirs i would like to ask a question about the US army national guard. since we dont have a system like that here i am interested in how it works and the question i have is, do they have combat troops? and if so do they acually go into combat like say regular army infantry. i googled on this subject but no anwsers found.
Click to expand...

The National Guard does have "combat troops." And, yes, they deploy like RA (Regular Army, also called Active Duty (AD)) Infantry - when they are called up to do so.

The National Guard is a United States Army entity. But they are under state control, whereas RA is Federal. They are still... owned (want of a better term) by the Army: they have the same physical standards and rules and punishments. There is no difference between an Article 15 in the RA and an Article 15 in the NG.

Think of the NG as loaned to the state. Under most circumstances, the governor of the state has control of their NG. But at any time, the Army can remove that control, ending the state control, and use those troops as they need. They are still National Guard, but now they are "recalled to active duty." They may deploy attached to an RA unit, under that unit's operational control, or they may deploy as their own unit with their own mission.
 
Mikefrombelgium said:
my dear sirs i would like to ask a question about the US army national guard. since we dont have a system like that here i am interested in how it works and the question i have is, do they have combat troops? and if so do they acually go into combat like say regular army infantry. i googled on this subject but no anwsers found.
Click to expand...

To expand on what AZ has already said.

The USARNG has Infantry, Armored Cav, and artillery as well as avaiation assets, although most of the arty has been reclassed as MP or Motor Transport. The National Guard also includes the 19th and 20th Special Forces Groups which are fully qualified to preform SF missions.

The National Guard is managed and comes under the control of the Dept of the Army thru the National Guard Bureau (including the Air Guard). The equipment is procured and distributed thru this arrangement by DOA or DOAF thru the NGB.

Army Guard uses all protocols, traditions and regulations of the US Army

Air Guard of the USAF

In domestic roles the Guards answer to the State GOV preform missions for the security of the individual state i.e. disaster relief, riot control, search and rescue, and since they are a state agency at this point may enforce state law without violating federal law.

Upon federalization the Guard acts just as any regular component acts in the Army or Air Force.
 
AZ_Infantry said:
The National Guard does have "combat troops." And, yes, they deploy like RA (Regular Army, also called Active Duty (AD)) Infantry - when they are called up to do so.

The National Guard is a United States Army entity. But they are under state control, whereas RA is Federal. They are still... owned (want of a better term) by the Army: they have the same physical standards and rules and punishments. There is no difference between an Article 15 in the RA and an Article 15 in the NG.

Think of the NG as loaned to the state. Under most circumstances, the governor of the state has control of their NG. But at any time, the Army can remove that control, ending the state control, and use those troops as they need. They are still National Guard, but now they are "recalled to active duty." They may deploy attached to an RA unit, under that unit's operational control, or they may deploy as their own unit with their own mission.
Click to expand...

thank you for taking the time to explain it to me sir :)
 
03USMC said:
To expand on what AZ has already said.

The USARNG has Infantry, Armored Cav, and artillery as well as avaiation assets, although most of the arty has been reclassed as MP or Motor Transport. The National Guard also includes the 19th and 20th Special Forces Groups which are fully qualified to preform SF missions.

The National Guard is managed and comes under the control of the Dept of the Army thru the National Guard Bureau (including the Air Guard). The equipment is procured and distributed thru this arrangement by DOA or DOAF thru the NGB.

Army Guard uses all protocols, traditions and regulations of the US Army

Air Guard of the USAF

In domestic roles the Guards answer to the State GOV preform missions for the security of the individual state i.e. disaster relief, riot control, search and rescue, and since they are a state agency at this point may enforce state law without violating federal law.

Upon federalization the Guard acts just as any regular component acts in the Army or Air Force.
Click to expand...

and also my thanks to you sir
 
NG SF are former group guys or NG,s who they felt should go through the pipeline.
Good quality soldiers one and all.
FWIW.

/KJ.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top