Gee, don't mean to sound like military bashing. Where have I heard that before? Oh yes the last thread that started with.
"not bashing the military but they kill kids"
Apparently, the FBI can't put Osama Bin Laden on "the list" because of
"lack of evidence" but some nimrod can accuse troops of
"killing babies" with an equal
"lack of evidence".
This thread rates 5 Zssss
I don't like to sound military bashing now do I because I am a military person. These occurances have forced me to ponder what is really going around in Afghanistan. Is it bashing military if you mention that you have heard something like this happen and there are news about this too?
Troll, troll troll my bait gently down the stream.............................
You're the troll here, don't comment when you have nothing to say.
As near as I can make out the Taliban are a group of fundamentalist Muslims who use the West's support of oppression of Muslims to gain votes.
Originally I think that all they wanted (and got) was political power in Afghanistan so they could declare it a caliphate, but because of our continued fight against Muslim countries and interference in their affairs, they are slowly transforming into an anti Western alliance because they can see that this will get them the support they need.
Trace this problem back to it's primary cause,..... it's not hard if you take off the blinkers.
Wait wait wait, what? West's support of opression of Muslims?
Well what you just said just adds to the fire of my post, that the Taliban are only fighting back the United States and want to be left alone?
I think we should castrate trolls.
Good idea, troll.
After ten years of war with the Russians, Russia finally didn't feel welcome anymore, and left in 1989. The country was left decimated and utterly in chaos.
During the period of Russian occupation between 600.000 and 2.000.000 Afghans were killed. Over 5.000.000 fled to Pakistan and Iran.
Does this alone not justify an intervention by Western society???
Well lets be realistic here, the Soviet Union wanted better access to the Indian Ocean for trade and their naval fleet. Control of Afghanistan would make trade with India and the Middle East easier. Afghanistan has important natural resources such as: natural gas, uranium, iron ore and copper; all which the Soviets wanted. The Soviet people were told that they were going to liberate Afghan communists. The Soviet government also said they were fighting Islamic Extremists and not to mention the United States were sworn enemies with the Soviets, so personally I doubt the United States intervened just because they were concerned for the Afghans, it was right that they did though, not saying that it wasnt. But when the United States left, Afghanistan was left in chaos like you said, just like Iraqis that rose up against Saddam in the first gulf war which were later butchered even after Bush had promised aid. Although I would argue that intervening would've been bad aswell since the country would've been in chaos without leadership.
I've never said that the United States hasnt done good things aswell, I'm not one of those nutheads that turn everything that the US has done from since WW2 to the present into negative. Infact I don't consider myself anti-American at all, I'm just trying to find out some answers because I can't think of anything to explain subject in hand of the raid of a compound. If I really was anti-American I would believe that the September 11th attacks were an inside job, that there is a conspiracy group of some sort, that the US is in every country for oil and that there are a couple of bandits putting people to war so they can make a profit without anyone intervening. That's a real anti-American and I've seen lots of those, don't call me anti-American just because I question the actions of a few in this PR war!
Why can't you execute people publicly in the following way; halftime at football matches, hang them from the few still standing street signs, execute them in the Olympic pool in Kabul, etc. etc. etc.
Oh btw. did I mention the ban of alcohol, music, singing, dancing, kite-flying, women holding jobs, girls going to school etc. etc. etc.
Do any of these facts justify an intervention by the rest of the world ???
You don't have to explain to me what punishments there are in Muslim countries and what restrictions, infact the whole religion of Islam is the same what you just described. Well it's just that there have been lots of deaths from both IEDs, airstrikes and with Afghans falling into the crossfire, so the Afghans do not seem to want to pay the prize for freedom, so why should we enforce it on them?
I am not sure why or what reasons you have for joining Military Forum, seing as you have a clear Anti-Military message you want to express
Well for one I am a military person, infact when I have finished with my studies I am going for the military. It may seem that I have an Anti-Military message but I don't, I'm just trying to find out if these people should be put in front of court or not.
you are entitled to state you opinion - so am I.
Amen.
a fundamentalist Islamic government in the middle east must be stopped. They are a vehemethly anti-progressive entity and a violent one at that.
Most Muslims that really know anything about the Taliban are not against them, why are we enforcing something on people that do not want it and do not deserve it? Do you know what the Muslims consider countries that are allied with the United States as? Kuffar, hypocrites and unbelievers for they do not apply real Islamic law. Even Saudi-Arabia is considered as a Kuffar country because they are the "pet of the US" although they do have public exterminations which does infact warm a Muslim's heart.
Why do I believe he just wants to flame the military? Because he states it:
"So why the hell did the United States invade Afghanistan in the first place and why did Brittain, Australia, Canada and several European NATO countries even follow?"
The twistingofmywords is strong in you, use it well you do, mmmhh.
Statement, or a question? Hard to say.
Also, what comes to China and North Korea, there are some pretty serious humanrights issues, not to mention Africa where no troops are stationed in at the moment, probably the largest humanrights violations in our time come from Somalia. Female circumsizion, forced marriage, forced recruit into Islamic fundamentalist forces, murdering, public extermination, pedophilia (which exists in pretty much every Islamic country though, considering their prophet was a pedophile) and etc.