Taiwan
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
To be fair Taiwan's defence was always in American hands as on its own Taiwan is incapable of defending itself against the much larger foe.
Personally I am disappointed that the rest of the world has let China call the shots, Taiwan should have been recognised as an independent nation and admitted to world bodies ages ago.
At some stage China needs to be made aware that it needs the world's markets just as much as the world needs it's markets.
Personally I am disappointed that the rest of the world has let China call the shots, Taiwan should have been recognised as an independent nation and admitted to world bodies ages ago.
At some stage China needs to be made aware that it needs the world's markets just as much as the world needs it's markets.
With all the talk of the Biden family deals with China, Taiwan should be nervous.
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
I dont think so, I suspect the US likes having a base right next to its biggest competitor and will do what it takes to keep it.
I3BrigPvSk
The Viking
Taiwan cannot survive a prolonged war with China, but Taiwan can make China pay for it. I don't know if Taiwan can trust the US and the Taiwan Relation Act. The US president cannot decide about intervening in an armed conflict between China and Taiwan without the consent by the Congress.
China is probably using hybrid warfare against Taiwan years before any conventional operations against Taiwan. The hybrid warfare is an efficient method to soften the Taiwanese before an attack. It can even achieve what the Chinese want without using its military might.
The Chinese are increasing its naval and amphibious capabilities, but I doubt it's enough to successfully conquer Taiwan, not now anyway. Maybe in 10-20 years from now. The Chinese air force and the aircraft carriers will have a huge task to suppress Taiwan's air defenses prior any invasion. The major threat toward Taiwan's air defense is to overwhelming it with clouds of missiles.
The political price for attacking Taiwan will be big. It is not worth it politically nor economically for the Chinese to attack Taiwan. China has been quite successful with isolating Taiwan politically. If the US/NATO/EU, and even Russia suddenly recognized Taiwan as an independent national state, it would be an independent state. The Chinese government would whine about it, but they couldn't ignore these countries.
China is probably using hybrid warfare against Taiwan years before any conventional operations against Taiwan. The hybrid warfare is an efficient method to soften the Taiwanese before an attack. It can even achieve what the Chinese want without using its military might.
The Chinese are increasing its naval and amphibious capabilities, but I doubt it's enough to successfully conquer Taiwan, not now anyway. Maybe in 10-20 years from now. The Chinese air force and the aircraft carriers will have a huge task to suppress Taiwan's air defenses prior any invasion. The major threat toward Taiwan's air defense is to overwhelming it with clouds of missiles.
The political price for attacking Taiwan will be big. It is not worth it politically nor economically for the Chinese to attack Taiwan. China has been quite successful with isolating Taiwan politically. If the US/NATO/EU, and even Russia suddenly recognized Taiwan as an independent national state, it would be an independent state. The Chinese government would whine about it, but they couldn't ignore these countries.
Sounds right.
Taiwan to increase defence spending 13%. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=435c0940773c4cf4dd615f178e4e2961
NATO is not a country and can thus not recognize Taiwan as an independent state .
Why should EU recognize Taiwan as an independent state ? What happens at the coast of China is not the business of the EU .
Russia of course will not recognize Taiwan and make China a hostile country .
Thus remains the US .
Only the US .
nor NATO.
I3BrigPvSk
The Viking
Yes, NATO and the EU cannot recognize Taiwan, but NATO and EU countries can. It would be enough if the G7 countries recognized Taiwan. China needs the West and the West needs China.
NATO is not the G7 .
And, why would it be enough ?What would do the G7 if China attacked Taiwan ?
What would do Italy, what would do France, what would do Germany, what would do Britain, what would do Japan (! ) ,what would do Canada, what would do the US ?
I3BrigPvSk
The Viking
I said recognize Taiwan, not defending it. The only G7 country (besides the US) close to Taiwan is Japan and Japan is worried about the trade routes in that part of the Pacific Ocean.
The US can contribute to Taiwan's defense. It is more interesting to see how the QUAD a long with Indonesia and the Philippines react if China attacks Taiwan.
If recognizing Taiwan is not helping Taiwan, there is no reason to help Taiwan .
And ,given the past, no Asian country will ally with Japan to help Taiwan .
People in Indonesia and the Philippines have not forgotten the past .
Besides,as the Anschluss of Taiwan to China does not endanger the economy of Japan, SK, Indonesia and the Philippines, there is no reason for these countries to condemn such an Anschluss .
What would hurt their economy is a recognition of Taiwan .
I3BrigPvSk
The Viking
A war between China and Taiwan will hurt everybody economically. It will even hurt China's economy. We live with a global economy and we have done so since the Second World War.
what????
Yes, 60% of chips used in the auto industry are made in Taiwan.
The Anschluss of Taiwan will not hurt the world economy . A war could hurt the world economy, but that depends on how long would last this war .
And if Taiwan is occupied by China, 60 % of chips used in the auto industry will continue to be made in Taiwan .
Taiwan is 15 million people, China 1,5 billion people .China is more important than Taiwan .
I3BrigPvSk
The Viking
EU and NATO are multinational organization and cannot recognize other countries, but the member countries can do that. There is a possibility/risk the West recognize Taiwan if China attacks. EU somewhat accepted Ukraine as a member country when Russia attacked.
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I3BrigPvSk
The Viking
Taiwan is a main supplier of superconductors, the ironic perception of it is; Taiwan exports a lot of superconductors to China. Would it be rational for China to attack Taiwan or is wiser for both parties to let the status que remain. From an economic stand point it would be better to be where they are now. However, China might want to incorporate Taiwan before its 100 years celebration.
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