5CAV said:My first-hand experience is dated. I qualified on a straight M1, the one with the 105mm Sheffield Rifle, not the M1A1 with the 120mm Rheinmetall Smoothbore. At the time (almost 20 years ago), nothing came close to the M1. The annual CAT Shoot was pretty much a contest between Bundeswehr Leopard IIs and US Army M1s.
That being said, there are three basic requirements for a good tank design: Lethality, Mobility and Survivability (in that order -- killing efficiency is highest priority).
Nothing beats the M1A2 in Lethality with its 120mm smoothbore, APFSDS round, and fire control system. Maybe a draw with the Leopard II, since they use a similar gun and similar FCS.
Nothing beats the M1A2 in Mobility -- power to weight ratio is about the same as the Leopard II thanks to its gas-turbine engine (the Leopard II gets to the same number with less armor, so less weight).
Nothing beats the M1A2 in Survivability. I think this is probably a draw with the Challenger (same armor).
Finally, the M1A2 is a COMBAT PROVEN design -- something none of the other contestants can claim. I would put my money on M1A2s and -- MOST IMPORTANT -- their combat-hardened crews.
Guy100 said:Ashes said:Great links Guy100, especially the clips, first time i've seen film of the Shtora-1 or Arena.
I suppose it makes sense to have an active defensive system like that instead of just adding heavier armour all the time.
What's the latest on Russian tank design, any chance of something like the T-95 going into service in the future?
I don't know much about the T-95, all I know is that: it's going to be stealth, very very low, it's going to have arena or shtora-1 or both and it's probably going to have a 152mm or a 155mm gun.
I also know that it will have very good crew protection, a new atomatic loading system and that the turret is anmanned, its controlled by the comander and gunner from inside the tank's hull. it is going to have the most powerfull armour and the most powerful shells, which could penetrate the abrams front hull from great ranges. It will probably have a crew of three like all modern Russian tanks (commander, gunner, driver).
I don't know when or if it will go into service any time soon, but probably the T-80UM2 "black eagle" will go into service first, and then the T-95.
The T-80UM2 "black eagle" is also a great tank and is much better then the abrams.
it's unknown what main gun will the T-80UM2 have (125mm or 130mm or 135mm or 145mm or 152mm or 155mm).
The T-80UM2 has the best armour of any MBT today. It will also have the arena or shtora-1 or drozd 2 systems, new atomatic loading system, and a crew of three. the T-80UM2 is 400mm lower than the standard T-80U
The T-95 and the T-80UM2 will have all the latests systems.
the T-80UM2 will probably be avalible to other countries as well, i don't know if the T-95 will be on sale.
Did you watch some other Russian military equipment in action on the site?
SHERMAN said:common...You all know this is the pretiest!
Ashes said:About shot traps on the Merkava, someone mentioned that whenever you look at the Merkava 4 it just looks like one big shot trap waiting to happen... Does anyone know the details of why the bottom of the turret is sloped like that? Not knowing any better I would have thought that any incoming fire that hits that slope would end up slamming right down into the chassis or being directed to a very small point for penetration. Either possibility being, of course, a very bad situations indeed. I mean sure, if a tank shell or an RPG round hits the top of the turret no sweat, slope's perfect there. But not on the bottom...
However, the Israelis are hardly idiots when it comes to tank design, so I'm hoping there's a better explanation. Anybody know?
AlexKall said:Thought they used the L55?
"About shot traps on the Merkava, someone mentioned that whenever you look at the Merkava 4 it just looks like one big shot trap waiting to happen..."
Did you know that the same thing was said about Leopard 2 A5? And it was a false statement, don't you thing that this is another such false statement? I doub't after the experience of the Israelian forces and battles that they would make such a misstake, I can say to 99.99% that the comment is false!
And as Kozzy said, they don't deflect.