m-16 and p90
c/Commander
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Or join the Army...they'll issue you one (M16). :rambo:
silent driller
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I didn't know civilians could get either of them at all. I know you can get an AR-15(pretty much the same), but I didn't know about the other two. You can get them all in the military.
Check out www.sturmgewehr.com. You can find M16s and FN-P90s for sale (NFA Weapons). If you check the discussion-board, you can get an idea of what hoops you have to jump through to keep yourself legal.
M16s are pretty straightforward to get -- they run about $10,000 for a conversion to $15,000 for an original M16A2. Be prepared to spend about 6 months to a year for your first transfer to clear all the paperwork involved.
FN-P90s are only available as post-samples. If you don't know what that means, you probably can't get one.
Go to a local gun show and meet some of the dealers. You should be able to find a class 3 dealer near you who can help you with the paperwork.
M16s are pretty straightforward to get -- they run about $10,000 for a conversion to $15,000 for an original M16A2. Be prepared to spend about 6 months to a year for your first transfer to clear all the paperwork involved.
FN-P90s are only available as post-samples. If you don't know what that means, you probably can't get one.
Go to a local gun show and meet some of the dealers. You should be able to find a class 3 dealer near you who can help you with the paperwork.
M-16 you can get in the US without to much of a hassle.
FN P90's are only available for Law Enforcement and Armed Services, I do not know which branch uses them, but I believe the Air Force Special Forces uses them.
M-16 A2 is not a fully automatic weapon, it Fires semiautomatic and 3-round burst at least that it was it's official usage is.
FN P90's are only available for Law Enforcement and Armed Services, I do not know which branch uses them, but I believe the Air Force Special Forces uses them.
M-16 A2 is not a fully automatic weapon, it Fires semiautomatic and 3-round burst at least that it was it's official usage is.
Actually there are two versions of the M16A2. The US Army version fires 3-round burst (bad idea). The USMC version fires full-auto (good idea). The USMC seems to understand gunfighting better than the US Army (or at least they are willing to take the time to train real rifle skills and fire discipline).
By the way, don't try to tell your friendly ATF agent that your M16A2 isn't a "machinegun" because it only fires a 3-round burst -- he (or she) will still want to see your "get out of jail free" paperwork (ATF Form 4).
Actually the Marines all prefer semi-automatic, becuase they focus more on each man is a rifleman first, and they prefer the 3-round burst M16-A2, but what is even better they prefer the M16-A4 which has 3 selected modes of fire Semiautomatic, 3-round burst, and Full-automatic.
Most Marines dislike the M16 because of the light round, they would prefer the NATO standard 7.62mm instead of the NATO standard 5.56mm round.
BUt the question is can you get an FN P-90 well as far as I know the Assault Weapons ban ends this year it should be renewed but the Republicans seem to want more crime.
I don't know if Fabriq Nationale I think i seplled that right, will ofer it's Tactical Weapons to the Civillain Market, I hope not because the Gang violence in Southern California I will increase with that kind of Fire power.
Most Marines dislike the M16 because of the light round, they would prefer the NATO standard 7.62mm instead of the NATO standard 5.56mm round.
BUt the question is can you get an FN P-90 well as far as I know the Assault Weapons ban ends this year it should be renewed but the Republicans seem to want more crime.
I don't know if Fabriq Nationale I think i seplled that right, will ofer it's Tactical Weapons to the Civillain Market, I hope not because the Gang violence in Southern California I will increase with that kind of Fire power.
I am not aware of a version of the M16 that has a four position selector switch. Can you post a picture, or send me to a link of the selector? The only four position selector firearms I know of are the HK series (MP5, G3, G33, G36) and the FN-FNC.
FN offers a number of weapons on the civilian market. They offered the FNC in semi-auto until it was banned from importation by Bush I. Currently, they offer a number of bolt action "police sniper" rifles (next ones to be banned), and handguns.
However, without rolling back gun laws to before 1936, you will not find the FN P90 at your corner hardware store, even if the "Assault Rifle Ban" sunsets. The FN P90 is a select fire weapon regulated under the Gun Control Act of 1936, which requires registration of machine guns. It was further restricted by the Gun Control Act of 1968, which banned importation of machine guns, so you will never see an FN P90 except as a dealer sample for police use.
All the "Assault Rifle Ban" dealt with were US manufactured rifles that had such offending items as pistol grips, flash-hiders, bayonet lugs, and 11-round and higher magazines. These are pretty much all cosmetic features. When was the last time you saw a news story about someone being bayoneted? Hats off to the Republicans (and a few stalwart Democrats) who don't buy this pile of baloney.
By the way, if the "Assault Rifle Ban" sunsets, any imported semi-automatic rifle that was banned by Bush I (such as the FN FNC) is still banned. This was a DIFFERENT law from the "Assault Rifle Ban" which was done by Clinton. Thankfully, there were enough Senators who saw the "Assault Rifle Ban" as the worthless propaganda tool that it was and insisted on a 10-year life before they would vote on it (ALL laws should have a 10-year life IMHO). The Bush-I ban did not have a 10-year life, nor does the 1968 GCA or the 1936 GCA (obviously, since we are still living with them).
If you really feel this way, you might want to move to the United Kingdom. This socialist utopia has banned almost ALL GUNS (all handguns, all rifles, and all shotguns except for double-barreled shotguns, which are tightly regulated).
A bit of fair warning: Before you go through the trouble, you might want to educate yourself on the actual crime rates. Violent crime in the UK is about THREE TIMES the violent crime in the US (The UK is now the highest in the first world).
These bans have done a good job of getting guns out of the hands of homeowners and otherwise law-abiding citizens, but (SURPRISE!) criminals, who also seem to be pretty adept at getting other BANNED items (like drugs), seem to have little problem getting guns. Of course these guns are all illegal and bought on a black market (like the drugs), but gun crime and gun violence has actually INCREASED since the draconian anti-gun laws were put in effect in the UK.
One example, Home invasion robberies represent about 70% of robberies in the UK, compared to about 10% in the US. In the US, criminals know they have a 50/50 chance of running into an armed homeowner, so they take great pains to make sure there is no one at home, except in those wonderful gun-free places like NYC, Washington, DC, and Chicago, IL, which serve to bring up the average to above single digits. In the UK, criminals know that the government has disarmed the public, so everyone is a nice, helpless sheep, waiting to be fleeced.
Crime and violence is not a function of "Assault Weapons" or handguns, or baseball bats (check out the latest mass slaying in Florida). It is a function of bad people (criminals). If they can't have guns, they will use knives and baseball bats. However, unless you can UN-INVENT firearms, criminals WILL HAVE GUNS (by definition, criminals don't concern themselves with laws). I know it sounds trite, but "IF YOU MAKE GUNS ILLEGAL, ONLY CRIMINALS WILL HAVE GUNS".
Lil Hulk 1988
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A4 is only a 3 position select fire...
5CAV, you are right, Colt has not made a 4 position select fire. Here is the specs for the A4 from Colt, you can get the Auto or Burst models.
http://www.colt.com/mil/M16_2.asp
Semper FI....
I guess the reason the Milwaukee houdlims don't enter my house could be the chest full of #4 buck from a 3" mag? Being from Detroit, I do not know a time that we didnot have a weapon in the house.
5CAV, you are right, Colt has not made a 4 position select fire. Here is the specs for the A4 from Colt, you can get the Auto or Burst models.
http://www.colt.com/mil/M16_2.asp
Semper FI....
5CAV said:
I guess the reason the Milwaukee houdlims don't enter my house could be the chest full of #4 buck from a 3" mag? Being from Detroit, I do not know a time that we didnot have a weapon in the house.
5CAV ,
Good stuff you posted there. I have 2 words to express how I feel , and seeing as how you seem to know abit , I am sure you know what they mean...Molon Labe....My opinion is the same as yours on everything you posted , on everything but 1....IT IS legal to purchase and own a machinegun(at least in TX) , one just needs to pay the 200$ stamp and wait about a year for the ATF to process your paperwork(I see you corrected the poster above now). I am saving my $ for WW2 British stuff and a fully auto m4a2 :m16shoot:
Good stuff you posted there. I have 2 words to express how I feel , and seeing as how you seem to know abit , I am sure you know what they mean...Molon Labe....My opinion is the same as yours on everything you posted , on everything but 1....IT IS legal to purchase and own a machinegun(at least in TX) , one just needs to pay the 200$ stamp and wait about a year for the ATF to process your paperwork(I see you corrected the poster above now). I am saving my $ for WW2 British stuff and a fully auto m4a2 :m16shoot:
Dream on! I think you need to educate yourself on gun laws. Anyone with a felony conviction cannot buy firearms -- it doesn't matter if it's an "assault rifle" or a Holland & Holland Royal Ejector double barrel shotgun. No further restriction is imparted on felons by this law -- only on non-felons.
By the way, in Las Vegas there is a law on the books that requires gun owners to register their handguns. Failure to register your handgun is a felony. However, felons are SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED from having to register their guns. This was adjudicated by the Supreme Court in the early 1960's, when this law was appealed by some Las Vegas goodfellas. According to the Supremes, since it is a FELONY for a felon to have any guns, requiring a felon to register his gun violates the Fifth Amendment's protection against self incrimination (a felon registering his gun is incriminating himself to a felony!).
If guns cause crime, then forks cause obesity and keyboards cause bad spelling.
The UK has banned assault rifles. See how well it's worked for them!
An M16 is a true assault rifle -- select fire. If you move out of the PRK to the (mostly) free state of Nevada, you can own all the M16s you can afford.
Actually, in almost 40 states it's legal to carry with the correct license -- including the PRK.
Timeless words! I'm sure they were said before, but they were first recorded in history about 2500 years ago. The Theban general Epaminodas told this to the Spartan warriors when they demanded that the Theban farmers give up their weapons. You can guess what happened next!
Lil Hulk, your unarmed neighbors benefit from your selfless civic action! Since criminals don't know who is armed and who isn't, they avoid ALL HOMES. I think Ken Keck did some research on this effect -- something like 1% of the population carrying concealed had a 50% impact on crime.
Our founding fathers put these in terms of "Rights" but they considered them CIVIC DUTIES of good citizens. A good citizen takes advantage of the free press to make himself an informed voter, he votes in elections, freedom of religion gives him a basis of ethics, and he keeps and bears arms to protect the free state. None of this is REQUIRED. You are not hauled off to jail if you don't vote, don't read, don't go to church or don't own a gun, but you are acting as a better citizen of a free state if you take advantage of these RIGHTS.
Couldn't have said it better myself 5CAV....great analogy too....I always heard it was the Greeks who saib it to the Spartans.....that make sense though , I thought the Greeks generally whipped the Spartans...scary what the average person DOESN"T know about gun rights and laws isn't it?
JHR
JHR
Actually, they were all Greeks. In those days, they made the distinction between Thebans, Spartans, Athenians, Thracians, etc. They only united as "Greeks" when they were fighting the Persians (the rest of the time, they were fighting each other). Kind of like 150 years ago in the US, we made the distinction between Texans, Virginians, Georgians, etc. Those distinctions mostly went away after we lost the War for Southern Independence.
Good stuff 5CAV.... I don't suppose you know how to take apart the firing pin on my FAL do you??? I took it out for the first time and ran 55 rounds through it....Impressive weapon....I'm glad i bought it. Back on topic , what you said about the deterrent effect of criminals in this country not knowing who is armed makes complete sense , although I never thought of that aspect before.
Jason Bourne
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That is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard, Laws don't stop crime, because criminals don't really obey laws now do they, the only thing that stops crime, is punishment, or a really strong role model, or the Marine Corps, or the Russian Secret police
Check out this website.
http://www.surplusrifle.com/fal/rifle/index.asp
It has a pretty good description on how to remove the firing pin. The FAL doesn't get too dirty -- clean out the bore, clean out the gas plug and piston, and clean the gas tube (carefully or you will be taking your gun to the gunsmith). The bolt and carrier don't get too dirty -- I just wipe them down.
The FAL is a good combat rifle. I prefer the M14 because it has better sights and a better trigger. The FAL is easier to maintain and has better ergonomics, though.
Check out this website for more statistical backup on that:
http://www.johnrlott.com/
Better yet, buy his book: "More Guns, Less Crime."
Correct. That's why they are called "criminals".
Here's a good article on the "Assault Weapons Ban".
http://www.bouldernews.com/bdc/insight/article/0,1713,BDC_2494_3143048,00.html
The idiocy of this law is summed up by this:
Colt AR15 -- semi-auto .223 with black stock -- BAD;
Ruger Mini-14 -- semi-auto .223 with wood stock -- GOOD.