Massive Jewish casualties were narrowly avoided today as an Arab worker drove his bulldozer into a police car in Jerusalem http://samsonblinded.org/news/another-bulldozer-attack-in-jerusalem-8452 Isn't it possible to make a political statement without killing dozens of innocent bystanders?
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Possible, yes. Probable, No.
senojekips
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Or Israeli pilots and Tankers.
Come on let's get some reality into this discussion.
19 innocent civilians killed and a block of flats destroyed to remove a single Hamas member, the family of an eminent Arab doctor working for the Israeli's, decimated by the main gun of a tank who though they saw a terrorist in their flat.
This thread is little more than a poor attempt at bait laying.
Defense secretary's plan will make U.S. vulnerable to enemies
Defense secretary's plan will make U.S. vulnerable to enemies and he wants to CUT spending? Someone please help me out here....Iran, North Korea, China, Russia, Venesuela and the Taliban are frothing at the mouth as they continue to build and fund weapons to destroy the US and he wents to cut our military spending. God help us all...
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Defense secretary's plan will make U.S. vulnerable to enemies and he wants to CUT spending? Someone please help me out here....Iran, North Korea, China, Russia, Venesuela and the Taliban are frothing at the mouth as they continue to build and fund weapons to destroy the US and he wents to cut our military spending. God help us all...
Bill
http://www.politicalsimpleton.com
God Forbid that anyone should ever criticize any enemy of the Jews, eh?
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I dunno, I wasn't all the keen on the Nazis. Wakey! wakey, wakey!
Fell on your duff,.... yet again:lol:
Your bait is "off".
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Yes BillDixon, I agree, the use of bulldozers to clear Palestinian homes for Israeli settlers and roads is wrong.
Fell on your duff,.... yet again:lol:
Your bait is "off".
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Yes BillDixon, I agree, the use of bulldozers to clear Palestinian homes for Israeli settlers and roads is wrong.
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Actually I would have preferred to deal with it alone.
Watch out - your duff is in danger! - I had nothing to do with starting this thread and only eventually passed comment when the same old, same old, arrived right on cue. So which of us placed the bait? Change the record, why don't you.
Watch out - your duff is in danger! - I had nothing to do with starting this thread and only eventually passed comment when the same old, same old, arrived right on cue. So which of us placed the bait? Change the record, why don't you.
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You wrongly insinuated that I support the enemies of the Jews, which I clearly disproved as i do not support the Nazis who were most certainly their enemies. Your statement as usual was completely without basis and no more than a bait, as was the original posting of this attempt to smear the name of those Palestinian people who are resisting the Israeli land grab.
I admit that sticks and rocks are hardly much of a weapon against a 67 ton armoured bulldozer, but to those with an unbiased view it does show the frustration, anger and willingness of the Palestinians.
This thread was started either completely without any knowledge of the facts, or as a bait, as it is clearly the Israelis who are using the bulldozers and heavy earth moving machinery to destroy the orchards and homes of the Palestinians, not to mention killing people. I feel that with the amount of evidence available, it is clearly a bait.
I know that with your heavily blinkered views on this matter it would have completely escaped you, that the original poster joined the forum "out of the blue",... made one post and has never made another post on this subject or any other.
I definitely smell a bait as this type of thing also happened in the thread "The world only complains...." where the morality of the Israeli position was in tatters (as it is). Suddenly two members joined, made one or two posts and when they found that their position was indefensible they departed never to return. It makes one wonder.
I admit that sticks and rocks are hardly much of a weapon against a 67 ton armoured bulldozer, but to those with an unbiased view it does show the frustration, anger and willingness of the Palestinians.
This thread was started either completely without any knowledge of the facts, or as a bait, as it is clearly the Israelis who are using the bulldozers and heavy earth moving machinery to destroy the orchards and homes of the Palestinians, not to mention killing people. I feel that with the amount of evidence available, it is clearly a bait.
I know that with your heavily blinkered views on this matter it would have completely escaped you, that the original poster joined the forum "out of the blue",... made one post and has never made another post on this subject or any other.
I definitely smell a bait as this type of thing also happened in the thread "The world only complains...." where the morality of the Israeli position was in tatters (as it is). Suddenly two members joined, made one or two posts and when they found that their position was indefensible they departed never to return. It makes one wonder.
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Obviously you consider any introduction of an opinion that has the damned audacity to favour Israel can be described as 'bait'!
'Bait' for what, for who? Why is their opinion, whoever they are, not as worthy as yours? Opinions other than yours do exist you know, are allowed to exist even.
And you do give unequivocal support to the enemies of the Jews currently IMHO.
'Bait' for what, for who? Why is their opinion, whoever they are, not as worthy as yours? Opinions other than yours do exist you know, are allowed to exist even.
And you do give unequivocal support to the enemies of the Jews currently IMHO.
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senojekips
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It was almost certainly a bait, for the reasons pointed out in my last post. Which you have no doubt studiously ignored .
How could it be any more than a bait? The Israelis have used 100 times the heavy machinery that the Palestinians have and destroyed many times more houses and orchards, which i guess you think doesn't matter as the Israelis were going to steal them anyway.
Get it right Del Boy, I favour the Palestinians over the Jews, without fear or favour, because they have a legitimate ***** and the moral high ground. This is evidenced by such things as, more and more calls for War Crimes trials to be instituted against the Israelis from around the West. Believe me it will happen, and there will be lots of red faces ducking for cover.
The Israelis behaviour has been inexcusable from day one and it get more arrogant by the day. Even the US has chatted them about their actions. I do not favour all enemies of the Jewish people. Ahh, you are so good at quoting "near truths", the trouble being for you, that they are so easily shot down.
Yep,... even the US is slowly realising that it might not be a good idea to be seen as too close to the Israelis when the world gets its act together and demands action on this matter.
Think what you are going to say before you open the trap and dump your rubbish, you might come just a little closer to the truth. I don't mind accepting the responsiblity of my actions, but I refuse to be saddled with your half truths or more accurately "half lies"
Did you ever stop to think, that if what you imply was true, I would be proud of that fact and would certainly not bother denying it.
How could it be any more than a bait? The Israelis have used 100 times the heavy machinery that the Palestinians have and destroyed many times more houses and orchards, which i guess you think doesn't matter as the Israelis were going to steal them anyway.
Get it right Del Boy, I favour the Palestinians over the Jews, without fear or favour, because they have a legitimate ***** and the moral high ground. This is evidenced by such things as, more and more calls for War Crimes trials to be instituted against the Israelis from around the West. Believe me it will happen, and there will be lots of red faces ducking for cover.
The Israelis behaviour has been inexcusable from day one and it get more arrogant by the day. Even the US has chatted them about their actions. I do not favour all enemies of the Jewish people. Ahh, you are so good at quoting "near truths", the trouble being for you, that they are so easily shot down.
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Yep,... even the US is slowly realising that it might not be a good idea to be seen as too close to the Israelis when the world gets its act together and demands action on this matter.
Think what you are going to say before you open the trap and dump your rubbish, you might come just a little closer to the truth. I don't mind accepting the responsiblity of my actions, but I refuse to be saddled with your half truths or more accurately "half lies"
Did you ever stop to think, that if what you imply was true, I would be proud of that fact and would certainly not bother denying it.
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:mrgreen: I never said I loved the Jewish people. I am as ambivalent about Jews as I am about any Race, Creed or Colour.
It's the Zionists among them that turn my head, they are to the Jewish people, what the Nazi's were to the Germans.
Having been a Seaman for much of my working life, I have met and seen, the best and possibly some of the worst in many nationalities not least of which are Australians.
There is only one way to earn true respect among one's peers in the seagoing industry and that is to "tell it as you see it" regardless of who's toes you may step on. I have never been afraid to call a spade a f*ckin' shovel, and for every person whom I have offended, I have made a hundred friends.
It'll do me....
It's the Zionists among them that turn my head, they are to the Jewish people, what the Nazi's were to the Germans.
Having been a Seaman for much of my working life, I have met and seen, the best and possibly some of the worst in many nationalities not least of which are Australians.
There is only one way to earn true respect among one's peers in the seagoing industry and that is to "tell it as you see it" regardless of who's toes you may step on. I have never been afraid to call a spade a f*ckin' shovel, and for every person whom I have offended, I have made a hundred friends.
It'll do me....
Those last two posts of yours sum up the uninformed bandwagon opinions you hold regarding the causes of this conflict, combined with your distate of Jews. You talk about 'day 1' , but you can't even recognise when Day 1 was.
You have now taken the opportunity once again to promote your one-way agenda; which is to promote war not peace, and to ensure the destruction and removal of the Jewish homeland, the only one they have. So exactly who has been laying 'bait' here, begs the question?
Peace in the middle East would not suit your cause. You talk of Zionists as your target, but without hatred of the Jews zionism would never have become the problem it is now seen as; the hatred was engendered long before 1936 and 1948, created deliberately and fanned by horrific mis-education of children, to the aim that they would never live side by side with Jews .
All the military problems in the Middle East stem from one source; the constant threat of annihilation of the Jews by their neighbours; who do you suggest should protect the Jews, if not themselves; It may be fine on your agenda, but it is not fine on theirs. You can demand their destruction all you want, but do not expect them present themselves for slaughter; they did that once before, remember.
You say you dislike the Nazis; unfortunately those you fervently support did not, were the promised allies of the Nazis and could not wait to join Hitler's plans.
As for your sea-man's memoirs, in my years at sea I came across the precisely opposite view, and could add to that my service in Egypt in the army and my family's senior soldiering in Palestine.
With a wave of my magic wand I could have prevented all that military deterrent action in Gaza, if only I could have persuaded Hamas to stop rocketing into Israel as requested. The rersponse to those requests ' No, no, no - we will not stop'.
They give the Israelis no option but to fight; fighting is a dirty job, and when your back is to the wall it is desperate stuff.
The Jewish homelands have been divided up again and again in favour of the Arabs, who have more available land than anyone in Christendom and beyond, and the remaining sliver the only place the Israelis have.
They don't ask for, or require, your support - but please spare me from your hiding behind the Zionist card.
Funny, ain't it, that with all the genocide and carnage being created around the world, a great deal of it by muslim/infidel conflict, a lot of failure by UN to act, a lot of ignored and unimposed agendas of the UN , a lot of threats of destruction and annihilation- the only only complaints you make, the only videos you present, the only war-crime charges you call for, are aimed at Israel. Funny that, ain't it. Ever wonder why?
PS. Happy Easter.
You have now taken the opportunity once again to promote your one-way agenda; which is to promote war not peace, and to ensure the destruction and removal of the Jewish homeland, the only one they have. So exactly who has been laying 'bait' here, begs the question?
Peace in the middle East would not suit your cause. You talk of Zionists as your target, but without hatred of the Jews zionism would never have become the problem it is now seen as; the hatred was engendered long before 1936 and 1948, created deliberately and fanned by horrific mis-education of children, to the aim that they would never live side by side with Jews .
All the military problems in the Middle East stem from one source; the constant threat of annihilation of the Jews by their neighbours; who do you suggest should protect the Jews, if not themselves; It may be fine on your agenda, but it is not fine on theirs. You can demand their destruction all you want, but do not expect them present themselves for slaughter; they did that once before, remember.
You say you dislike the Nazis; unfortunately those you fervently support did not, were the promised allies of the Nazis and could not wait to join Hitler's plans.
As for your sea-man's memoirs, in my years at sea I came across the precisely opposite view, and could add to that my service in Egypt in the army and my family's senior soldiering in Palestine.
With a wave of my magic wand I could have prevented all that military deterrent action in Gaza, if only I could have persuaded Hamas to stop rocketing into Israel as requested. The rersponse to those requests ' No, no, no - we will not stop'.
They give the Israelis no option but to fight; fighting is a dirty job, and when your back is to the wall it is desperate stuff.
The Jewish homelands have been divided up again and again in favour of the Arabs, who have more available land than anyone in Christendom and beyond, and the remaining sliver the only place the Israelis have.
They don't ask for, or require, your support - but please spare me from your hiding behind the Zionist card.
Funny, ain't it, that with all the genocide and carnage being created around the world, a great deal of it by muslim/infidel conflict, a lot of failure by UN to act, a lot of ignored and unimposed agendas of the UN , a lot of threats of destruction and annihilation- the only only complaints you make, the only videos you present, the only war-crime charges you call for, are aimed at Israel. Funny that, ain't it. Ever wonder why?
PS. Happy Easter.
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Locked. Useless argument started by a one time poster. Both gentelmen have debated these topics to no-end in the past with no positive result.
*Israel uses the armored D-9 in obstacle clearing, removal of explosive devices and destruction of homes belonging to palestinians.
*In the last year 3 attacks by palestinians using bulldozers took place in Jerusale. All ended with said terrorist being shot to death. Once by a passing soldier on vacation who took a pistol from a security guard of a shopping center near by. Once by a reserve officer who was passing by, and the last time by police. All three attacks togather caused less than 5 fataleties togather, as I recall(maybe wrong on this, but definetly no more than 10)
All in all this is no "weapon of mass destruction" simply a toll that like any other is deadly if used correctly.
*Israel uses the armored D-9 in obstacle clearing, removal of explosive devices and destruction of homes belonging to palestinians.
*In the last year 3 attacks by palestinians using bulldozers took place in Jerusale. All ended with said terrorist being shot to death. Once by a passing soldier on vacation who took a pistol from a security guard of a shopping center near by. Once by a reserve officer who was passing by, and the last time by police. All three attacks togather caused less than 5 fataleties togather, as I recall(maybe wrong on this, but definetly no more than 10)
All in all this is no "weapon of mass destruction" simply a toll that like any other is deadly if used correctly.
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