GERMAN technology (V-1s and beyond)

lol you people are hilarious.
ok first of all the germans never finished half of the stuff they were doing unfortunatly :(. i would have loved to see the brits parish along with the americans :) hehe. but to get to the point Hitler was stupid enough to attack russia, and he foild the russian plan to attack germany, which was a great idea by Stalin. if Hilter would have continued his attack on britain he would have sucessfully made them surrender and by taking over britain they would have had more land and british radar that would be able to spot american ships. after this the americans would have been slaughtered at the beaches of normandy, gold, juno and all others. And after all this russia would have successfully attacked germany and conquered all of europe and would move on to world domination. because if anyone here has ever read any history at all russia would have had enought fire power alone to take out all of europe and america combined.
 
The v-1,v -2, and v-3 were ICBMS on aproximatly 2000km range. after germany was defeated by RUSSIA!!! not america as most of u might think. Russian specialists took the v-3 and modified it to make the first real ICBMs. And still to this day america still doesn't have normal ICBMs their ICBMs only have a range of about 4000km
 
I do not know what your sources are for any of this (but I can guarantee you they are nearly wholly incorrect). On another tack, you do realize that Canada was involved and, if the Americans and British had "parished" (set up shop in a church yard?), the Canadians would have been in the same boat.
And it is easy to take a handfull of "what ifs" and squeeze them into a fantasy world that suits your own outlook, but in my opinion it is, aside from entertainment value, a worthless endeavour.

And behave yourself here, treat others with the respect you would want them to show you, many of the members have more than earned that respect through their experience and responsibility.
 
Dear Soviet, I concur with Redneck's assessment of your posts and also recommend that you start reading some history (preferably NOT written by the Communist Party). You are way off base on multiple fronts here. If you would care to open a discussion forum on this, I would be happy to oblige.

Russia absolutely contributed vast quantities of manpower, natural resources and determination in the effort to defeat the Fascists (which was way more than just Germany as Russia's neighbors both hated and feared Stalin). Without Russia, the defeat of the Fascists and the liberation of Europe would have taken many years more beyond 1945, maybe forever, but the British Empire, US, other United Nations (yes the tern originated then) and resistance movements inside Occupied Europe were not sitting on their hands!

With regard to US ICBMs and their range - how would you know how far they can go? Don't you think that if the US can put multiple teams on the Moon and launch probes to places all over the Solar System that we can put nukes where we want them? What caused the Soviets to sign the Intermediate Range Missile Treaty and get rid of all intermediate range weapons? Two words: Pershing 2!!! Its range and accuracy scared the H**L out of the Politburo and forced them to negotiate. :firedevi:
 
Gunner13 said:
What caused the Soviets to sign the Intermediate Range Missile Treaty and get rid of all intermediate range weapons? Two words: Pershing 2!!! Its range and accuracy scared the H**L out of the Politburo and forced them to negotiate. :firedevi:
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/cheers :lol:


But yes I am not going to say that Red Army contribution to defeat of Nazi war machine was not something as small as is wildly believed by allot of people. But the allied effort as a whole was the reason the Nazi's were defeated. British and American bombing raids over all of Germany..............Red Army and the Wehrmacht slugging it out on the Ost Front= V-E day :D
 
Soviet said:
The v-1,v -2, and v-3 were ICBMS on aproximatly 2000km range. after germany was defeated by RUSSIA!!! not america as most of u might think. Russian specialists took the v-3 and modified it to make the first real ICBMs. And still to this day america still doesn't have normal ICBMs their ICBMs only have a range of about 4000km
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Hmmmmm....

Well, most normal written history sources about the german weapon program defines the main vengence weapons as:

V-1 a small, pilotless pulse jet powered flying bomb.

V-2: The first Intermediate range ballistic missle (ICBM). A Rocket that used the liquid oxidiser and propellants technology perfected by Robert Goddard of the United States (notice I said perfected not invented). At least 10 variants labled A-1 through A-10, were planned or prodduced.

V-3: A large, fixed in place artillary weapon designed to fire shells to at least 93 miles across the english channel, from france to england. Used assisted charge technology (one main charge to lift the projectile; six special chambered charges along the barrel to continue the acceleration of the shell after lift).

None of these had a 2000 KM range that I know of.

I would love to get a copy of a soviet history book, to compare notes. Is it available in the fiction section of the local librarys? :D



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The Germans were weapons Pioneers! if the StG44 and Me-262 came earlier in the war... and if they made the Atom bomb first... well... i think we would all be speaking german right now :lol: .
 
Hmmm

Now, lets see, as i said before, given hitler was insane and insisted on the use of the Me262 as a bomber and supported dumbass programs like the Maus(no offence, that think is a bad idea.),not to speak of the resources he put into the mass killing of millions of jews and political rivals, hitler is one of the reasons germany did not win(even if they had a tech advantage...)
 
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sherman105 said:
Now, lets see, as i said before, given hitler was insane and insisted on the use of the Me262 as a bomber and supported dumbass programs like the Maus(no offence, that think is a bad idea.),not to speak of the resources he put into the mass killing of millions of jews and political rivals, hitler is one of the reasons germany did not win(even if they had a tech advantage...)
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true, but not all Me262's were bombers, they did have pure fighter version's too. the holocaust was a moral and strategic atrocitey, but... the Maus wasnt meant to be used as a battle tank, it was meant to plug holes in coastal defensives. and lets be honest, the maus was immune to pretty much all air to ground rockets launched by tank busters, and if it was present on DDay, well... you know :).
 
yes

Yes, but when you have the german industry allready puting out less tanks and aircraft then the combined allied powers, the last thing you do is concentrate energy on insane projects like that...
 
If German technology was so wonderful, why didn't they make a succesful amphibious landing in Brittain? Hitler was a fruitcake, and he squandered his money on expensive toys rather than things like, oh, I don't know, PETROLEUM? What does it matter if you have the best tanks, if none of them have fuel? Who cares about your wonder weapon that is 200 miles in the rear because it's transport ran out of gas? And those tanks didn't seem to do so well on the eastern front, what with the crews freezing/starving to death, and all. It's too bad he couldn't mass produce all these "wonder weapons", what with his production capacity bombed to hell by American and British long range bombers.
As far as the eastern front, simply providing meat-grinders like Stalingrad was a tremendous boost to the Allies. The eastern front was this huge pit that swallowed men, material, dollars, and time. Without it, as has been said, we'd still be fighting the damned war. Luckily, Hitler's madness made it inevitable that he would attack the russians, thus losing it all.
 
me to

Hitler was a fruit cake. Did u also know the he was part jewish. HE made no fighting effort./ No wonder we... Never mind. But the fact is that we kicked his a**. Losera finish last.
 
Hitler actually didnt want to invade britain....
he wanted the brits as future allies......
he said that they have the same nordic race like the germans and the northern countries....
thats why he stopped his generals who wanted to wipe out the british army in dunkerk and invade britain
 
Jamoni said:
If German technology was so wonderful, why didn't they make a succesful amphibious landing in Brittain? Hitler was a fruitcake, and he squandered his money on expensive toys rather than things like, oh, I don't know, PETROLEUM? What does it matter if you have the best tanks, if none of them have fuel? Who cares about your wonder weapon that is 200 miles in the rear because it's transport ran out of gas? And those tanks didn't seem to do so well on the eastern front, what with the crews freezing/starving to death, and all. It's too bad he couldn't mass produce all these "wonder weapons", what with his production capacity bombed to hell by American and British long range bombers.
As far as the eastern front, simply providing meat-grinders like Stalingrad was a tremendous boost to the Allies. The eastern front was this huge pit that swallowed men, material, dollars, and time. Without it, as has been said, we'd still be fighting the damned war. Luckily, Hitler's madness made it inevitable that he would attack the russians, thus losing it all.
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Hitler was both the catalyst of the great German war machine of the 30s/40s and the reason for its downfall.

Had a reasoned and well balanced leader been in charge of Germany, things would have been very different today, with possibly a German-Soviet hegemony existing over Europe and Asia. The US would have retreated back into isolationist mode and you'd have a German-Soviet-Japanese domination over the old world. Perhaps in time Germany and the Soviet Union would have went to war but not when it happened in history.
 
Pollux said:
Hitler actually didnt want to invade britain....
he wanted the brits as future allies......
he said that they have the same nordic race like the germans and the northern countries....
thats why he stopped his generals who wanted to wipe out the british army in dunkerk and invade britain
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It's true that Hitler admired the British Empire and probably would have accepted a separate peace with Great Britain, seeing us as fellow Aryan peoples. However, the reason he stopped the Wehrmacht from destroying the trapped allied forces in Dunkirk was nothing to do with any sentiment on his part. Hitler was persuaded by Goering that the Luftwaffe could do the job by itself and Hitler assented to this, not wanting to risk his valuable panzers in possible pitched street battles.
 
Doppleganger is right, Hitler listened to much to Goering .......I would have pulled on his leash and let my panzers mow over the BEF and remaining French. ;)
 
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