Domestic terrorism?
That was Clinton's view, how'd that work out?
senojekips
Active member
Ther is another thread here somewhere if you care to look that tried to define terrorism.
I think you'l find that it is judged pretty much by whose side you are on.
The Germans called the Marquis, terrorists in WWII and to them, they were,... but to the Allies they were heroic patriots.
I think you'l find that it is judged pretty much by whose side you are on.
The Germans called the Marquis, terrorists in WWII and to them, they were,... but to the Allies they were heroic patriots.
You are correct, another term is "homegrown terrorist"
The problem is how do you define terrorism? There are no real terrorism laws on the books. I personally think that it has to do with PR. Is the unibomber a terrorists or just nuts? If so, what's the difference between him and someone who plants a bomb on a subway train? Is that guy nuts too because no rational person would do that?
Chukpike
Banned
Domestic Terrorist Groups
At the center of domestic counterterrorism efforts is the FBI, whose Counterterrorism Division defines domestic terrorism thus in a 1999 report titled Terrorism in the United States:
"Domestic terrorism involves groups or individuals who are based and operate entirely within the United States or its territories without foreign direction, and whose acts are directed at elements of the U.S. government or population. Domestic terrorist groups can represent right-wing, left-wing, or special interest orientations. Their causes generally spring from issues relating to American political and social concerns."
http://www.answers.com/topic/terrorism-domestic-united-states
The source listed above does include the groups you mention, but also says technically they may not fit the definition completely,
there it is guys he posted a link to it, read it and go with it
Considering that, Wolfie & Chuk....
I recall so well when a local cop told me HE thought I was a suspected domestic terrorist because I was very vocal about B.Obama not having the qualifications to run for POTUS, and his chief warned me about making open threats of violence against his men (I was not very nice in response to the cop, who is no longer employed in this town, much less this county). It seems I get these thoughts of beating people to a pulp if they threaten to arrest me for exercising my rights as an American.
To me, anyone that has a problem with the US Constitution AND Bill of Rights, well, they can be American if they want. But when they represent the tax-payers in any capacity, and have taken the oath that says they are there to protect the US Constitution, yet they go against the same, THAT IS A DOMESTIC TERRORIST and should be taken out and hung by their toes and then beaten repeatedly and severely.
IMHO.
...that would also cover groups such as ACORN, and the democratic party, and yes, even a good number of law enforcement agencies-
Case in point, State of Misery errr I mean Missouri. If you said ANYTHING that was not supportive of B.Obama, you were placed under investigation BY the State of Misery errr I mean Missouri.
I recall so well when a local cop told me HE thought I was a suspected domestic terrorist because I was very vocal about B.Obama not having the qualifications to run for POTUS, and his chief warned me about making open threats of violence against his men (I was not very nice in response to the cop, who is no longer employed in this town, much less this county). It seems I get these thoughts of beating people to a pulp if they threaten to arrest me for exercising my rights as an American.
To me, anyone that has a problem with the US Constitution AND Bill of Rights, well, they can be American if they want. But when they represent the tax-payers in any capacity, and have taken the oath that says they are there to protect the US Constitution, yet they go against the same, THAT IS A DOMESTIC TERRORIST and should be taken out and hung by their toes and then beaten repeatedly and severely.
IMHO.
If I read it right Obama has teh same plan for anybody who says anything against him, kinda like Stalin did back in the day.
You know what I see as a domestic terrorist?
When an unnamed government agency can stomach attacking people because of their religion, shooting them and those that aren't shot are burned alive. Silly if you think about it, but then you can't really define when or where that happened. Was it in Hitler's death camps? Or was it in Waco Texas? Sorry Wolfen, I don't see how anyone can justify burning men women AND CHILDREN alive in the basement of a church in the name of protecting the same children, while turning around and professing how the ovens Hitler had were inhuman.
At least the Jews had a chance to fight back. The kids didn't.
When an unnamed government agency can stomach attacking people because of their religion, shooting them and those that aren't shot are burned alive. Silly if you think about it, but then you can't really define when or where that happened. Was it in Hitler's death camps? Or was it in Waco Texas? Sorry Wolfen, I don't see how anyone can justify burning men women AND CHILDREN alive in the basement of a church in the name of protecting the same children, while turning around and professing how the ovens Hitler had were inhuman.
At least the Jews had a chance to fight back. The kids didn't.
03USMC
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Hmmm do live in Missouri? I happen to be an LEO in Missouri.
If you are referring to the MIAC report that was issued and desimenated earlier this year, that reprt was recalled and a disavowed by Col Keathly superintendent of MSHP, who has oversight of MIAC the week it was released. No investigations were launched or conducted as a result of the report, except a DDCC investigation into how the report was researched and why it was released.
I have yet to meet an LEO who took the report seriously matter of fact most were offended by it.
Maybe you met a cop who took stock in it but with the rest of your statements I say your misstating the facts.
BTW Stud feel free to pay me a visit try to hang me by my toes and beat me repeatedly. Won't be no cake walk sunshine.
If you are referring to the MIAC report that was issued and desimenated earlier this year, that reprt was recalled and a disavowed by Col Keathly superintendent of MSHP, who has oversight of MIAC the week it was released. No investigations were launched or conducted as a result of the report, except a DDCC investigation into how the report was researched and why it was released.
I have yet to meet an LEO who took the report seriously matter of fact most were offended by it.
Maybe you met a cop who took stock in it but with the rest of your statements I say your misstating the facts.
BTW Stud feel free to pay me a visit try to hang me by my toes and beat me repeatedly. Won't be no cake walk sunshine.
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No sir, I do not live in MO. And I'm really not referring to the MIAC report, but since it is now part of the issue....
I realize that it was disavowed by Col. Keathly. And I have no idea HOW LEOS look at it. But I can tell you how us not-so-educated civilians see it- would it have been disavowed if the public did not see it? was it disavowed ONLY because the public found out about it? You may say "Yes it would have been disavowed no matter what", or even "it doesn't matter if it's public or not, it was wrong". And as you said yourself " I have yet to meet an LEO who took the report seriously matter of fact most were offended by it." Were they? You know that better than I and those that are not LEOs.
When you learn that a group cannot be trusted for honesty or integrity, it doesn't matter what they say as much as what is seen. We saw the MIAC report come out. We saw what it said. We didn't like it. It was put out by part of your group. Our group doesn't like your group (even though we are NOT criminals in any fashion). We just love our freedom and will fight to keep it.
I can tell you of cops I meet everyday-
a man enters my neighbor's apartment, assaults him, wipes defication on the interior of his home, *I* call the cops and chase the man off, the cops DID NOTHING.
Later that night the same intruder threatens to kill me and my neighbor at a local c-store. Clerk calls the cops, and THE COPS DID NOTHING.
A week later the intruder assaults me in a store, the event is caught on tape, the clerk calls the cops, and THE COPS DID NOTHING.
Two weeks after that, I am in a parking lot talking to a friend. A man threatens US with a weapon. Cops are called. Ok dude YOU TELL ME- what do you think they did? LOL! You got it! Not a damn thing.
I get into an argument with a man in his car, his car window blows OUT. I have glass all over me, he drives off, cops get called, and what do you think they did? THEY ARRESTED ME! For breaking the window with my motorcycle helmet. Not paying attention to the glass on me and the sidewalk. If I'm found guilty of that, 03, I get 18 months. WTF?
I don't take stock in anything cops say. To me they're pigs. Scum. Trash. I don't say it just to say it, I say it from experience.
I realize that it was disavowed by Col. Keathly. And I have no idea HOW LEOS look at it. But I can tell you how us not-so-educated civilians see it- would it have been disavowed if the public did not see it? was it disavowed ONLY because the public found out about it? You may say "Yes it would have been disavowed no matter what", or even "it doesn't matter if it's public or not, it was wrong". And as you said yourself " I have yet to meet an LEO who took the report seriously matter of fact most were offended by it." Were they? You know that better than I and those that are not LEOs.
When you learn that a group cannot be trusted for honesty or integrity, it doesn't matter what they say as much as what is seen. We saw the MIAC report come out. We saw what it said. We didn't like it. It was put out by part of your group. Our group doesn't like your group (even though we are NOT criminals in any fashion). We just love our freedom and will fight to keep it.
I can tell you of cops I meet everyday-
a man enters my neighbor's apartment, assaults him, wipes defication on the interior of his home, *I* call the cops and chase the man off, the cops DID NOTHING.
Later that night the same intruder threatens to kill me and my neighbor at a local c-store. Clerk calls the cops, and THE COPS DID NOTHING.
A week later the intruder assaults me in a store, the event is caught on tape, the clerk calls the cops, and THE COPS DID NOTHING.
Two weeks after that, I am in a parking lot talking to a friend. A man threatens US with a weapon. Cops are called. Ok dude YOU TELL ME- what do you think they did? LOL! You got it! Not a damn thing.
I get into an argument with a man in his car, his car window blows OUT. I have glass all over me, he drives off, cops get called, and what do you think they did? THEY ARRESTED ME! For breaking the window with my motorcycle helmet. Not paying attention to the glass on me and the sidewalk. If I'm found guilty of that, 03, I get 18 months. WTF?
I don't take stock in anything cops say. To me they're pigs. Scum. Trash. I don't say it just to say it, I say it from experience.
Careful with that offer, I'll take you up on that *when you get back from the sandbox* and when I get done doing 18 months for something I didn't do.
03USMC
Active member
The MIAC report was disavowed because it was wrong and most likely politically motivated. When the report was issued the Mo Sheriffs Assn, Mo Deputy Sheriffs Assn, Mo Police Chiefs Assn, and the FOP all registered protests. Keathly investigated and supposedly the anaylist and Supervisor (civilian employees) responsible for the report and it's release are no longer at MIAC.
Your Group doesn't like my group huh? So what group would that be? Conservatives? LEO's are probably the one of the most conservative groups out there in their political bent.
Anarchists? Yeah I could see that.
Survivalists? Yeah because you probably think we are the storm troopers of the Facist/ZOG whatever state.
Or people with records? Yeah I know if we'd just stop keepin ya down and let you live your life and enforce the laws as you see fit then life would be rosey.
So what group are we talking about?
So you don't live in Missouri you're not referencing the MIAC report.
Then what are talking about as far as investigations being launched by the state? What investigaions.
So we are scum, trash, pigs, lairs dishonest, lack integrity, yeah okay cool.Ain't heard that in ohhhhh lemme see at least 8 hours. Generally I hear it from some individual on the occasion of their arrest or when they don't like the real interpretion of statute when it conflicts with their twisted version of the law.
Ohhhh yeah I'll be careful cause ahm a skeered and all of folks like you. Whatever high speed.
Your Group doesn't like my group huh? So what group would that be? Conservatives? LEO's are probably the one of the most conservative groups out there in their political bent.
Anarchists? Yeah I could see that.
Survivalists? Yeah because you probably think we are the storm troopers of the Facist/ZOG whatever state.
Or people with records? Yeah I know if we'd just stop keepin ya down and let you live your life and enforce the laws as you see fit then life would be rosey.
So what group are we talking about?
So you don't live in Missouri you're not referencing the MIAC report.
Then what are talking about as far as investigations being launched by the state? What investigaions.
So we are scum, trash, pigs, lairs dishonest, lack integrity, yeah okay cool.Ain't heard that in ohhhhh lemme see at least 8 hours. Generally I hear it from some individual on the occasion of their arrest or when they don't like the real interpretion of statute when it conflicts with their twisted version of the law.
Ohhhh yeah I'll be careful cause ahm a skeered and all of folks like you. Whatever high speed.
Like I said-
So you know it better than me.
Mmmm, I don't think that would cover it really.
Nope. I am a believer in having a government, just one that is responsible for it's actions and obeys the same laws it makes for it's people.
WHOA! Duude! Survivalists? Yeah. No I don't think you are ZOG, I'll leave that for the racist scum neo-nazis like Bill White's group, and Aryan Nations. Do I think you are a storm trooper? I don't know yet. Cops in general though? I watched an interesting video earlier. I have a nice list of cop abuse videos. You've seen them. Guess what? The list isn't getting smaller, 03.
I think that before making that call on my record perhaps you should know the details.
People that appreciate a responsible government, a responsible police department.
LOL! NO! YOU brought it up, not me!
I recall a Fox News story (I'll dig for it so you can see it) on a guy in MO that was investigated and harassed by cops solely for his political statements questioning Obama's candidacy.
Actually, some are and some aren't. I'll let you decide which catagory you fall in.
Consider what you initial threat was based on-
I don't think you have a problem with the Bill of Rights, 03.
03USMC
Active member
No you brought by your statement and I parapharse "if you said anyhthing against Obama the state of Misery would place you under investigation."
I asked you if you were referring to the MIAC report.
You stated you were not.
So I ask again what source are you getting your intel from?
What agency conducted these investigations and on what officals orders?
Or are you just bumping your gums to continue your rant about the evil jack booted thugs of law enforcement?
To be honest I give two **ts about your record or your opinion of LE. I hear it every damn day.
But every time you broad brush every cop I am gonna call you on it.And I don't give a **it how bad ass you think you are......or scared you think I should be.
I asked you if you were referring to the MIAC report.
You stated you were not.
So I ask again what source are you getting your intel from?
What agency conducted these investigations and on what officals orders?
Or are you just bumping your gums to continue your rant about the evil jack booted thugs of law enforcement?
To be honest I give two **ts about your record or your opinion of LE. I hear it every damn day.
But every time you broad brush every cop I am gonna call you on it.And I don't give a **it how bad ass you think you are......or scared you think I should be.
I did bring up the investigations. And I'll dig those up for you. I really have no rant about evil jack-booted thugs of law enforcement. Unlike you I will not blame all because of a few. I have in this thread just to tick you off and show you no matter what badge you put on a person, they are not god-like nor infalliable.
I will broad brush cops whenever you broad brush Americans. I don't think I'm a bad ass, I just don't back down when bullied. And you're not a bad ass either, so quit acting like it.
03USMC
Active member
Yeah maybe you oughta "dig out" the proof on those investigations in Missouri, since you brought it up.
Godlike huh?
I don't think I'm God.....I'm not a fighter pilot.
I'm a cop.
Like other cops (the majority) I do my job within the law and the scope of my duties. Whether or not you agree with the law is not my concern and will not lose any sleep or miss any meals....it is what it is not what you interpret it to be.
Now tell me Chuckles . When and where did I broad brush Americans? I AM an American. I am under oath two of em to support and defend the constitution of both the United States and the State of Missouri and to enforce the laws of both. So tell me where did I broad brush Americans and how did I broad brush Americans?
You got videos of police abuse? Well goody for you. Youtube be your bestest buddy? Numero uno: I have never denied that abuse does not occur. Numero Dos: I don't condone or support it ....like the majority of cops. However before you call it abuse best be sure your right .
Finally. You started spouting the tough guy BS. I responded.
Godlike huh?
I don't think I'm God.....I'm not a fighter pilot.
I'm a cop.
Like other cops (the majority) I do my job within the law and the scope of my duties. Whether or not you agree with the law is not my concern and will not lose any sleep or miss any meals....it is what it is not what you interpret it to be.
Now tell me Chuckles . When and where did I broad brush Americans? I AM an American. I am under oath two of em to support and defend the constitution of both the United States and the State of Missouri and to enforce the laws of both. So tell me where did I broad brush Americans and how did I broad brush Americans?
You got videos of police abuse? Well goody for you. Youtube be your bestest buddy? Numero uno: I have never denied that abuse does not occur. Numero Dos: I don't condone or support it ....like the majority of cops. However before you call it abuse best be sure your right .
Finally. You started spouting the tough guy BS. I responded.