bulldogg said:Where the hell is Wing-Chun???
Wing Chung is part of Wushubulldogg said:Where the hell is Wing-Chun???
Wing Chung is a Chinese martial art,
developed by a women. Like aikido it uses the energy
of others and uses arm and legg techniques and also
grabbing and ground fighting. I tried it but wasn't
content with some of it, especially their way of
striking and their "chain strike technique" Sure you
hit your opponent, but it is like a small calibre
bullet. Better less often but with more power!
Something that is worth looking into is Krav Maga.
This is the hand to hand combat taught to the
Israeli DF. It is to the point, very powerful and
vicisiouly effective against armed and unarmed
My favorite is off course Shin Kyokushin Karate.
This is the knock out variant of karate. It is
disciplined, tough, demanding and loads of fun. The
adrenaline is enormous when you are unleash into the
ring! It truly is my sport!
jujitsu is a good art. My father done it for years and was a very good fighter. Martial arts come in various shapes and forms now, Most are for display/entertainment, some are for health, some are for sports/competition, and some, are for scrapping.Bulldogg Wrote:
I personally prefer Tuite JuiJitsu. I learned it from the hand to hand instructor for the Indianapolis SWAT team about 10 years ago... good stuff. Putting my mass on your body and inflicting major amounts of pain with minimal effort. Lifting you off the ground by the boys is far more effective than anyone's jumping-half-turn-flying-spinning-backfist of fury.
Most Chinese martial arts if they are training in a more traditional way (i.e for some form of combat rather than althetic performance) should cover conditioning for the bones.. This you can ask Bulldogg he has experienced it first hand BD is a big guy... he hit arms with my teacher.. maybe three or four times... and.. well I'll let him tell you.. Unfortunatly most of this kind of training you will not see in the west as it would be considered a form of physical abuse...ted wrote
Ah.. so we can talk about this topic Bulldogg, since you know how it feels. How do you explain to someone, who never fought, the effect of cracking shins together. Your lowkick on his shin and you see his pain. This instantly makes yours go away..... What a beautiful sport. And you might be right about the wussies where I trained Wing Chung hahahaha!
You are not far from the point. But this I think comes down more to training than anything else. Unfortunatly most asian martial arts have taken the route of performing forms/kata's/dances of martial arts moves for training. This is fine and dandy for some fitnesss training and improving co-ordination. Unfortunatly it will get your ass handed to you by the most common of brawlers out there. I fyou want to fight you have to fight. Just becuase I can pose with a gun, doesn't mean that I can shoot it. This is why something I have taken from the military and put into our training I think is very important.moving target wrote
Fighting, to me, is a survival technique rather than a sport. It something I'd much rather watch than participate in. That said, I've seen many different styles in a variety of environments in the US from UFC-style competitions to local "tough man" competitions to street fights and bar brawls. From my observation, someone who relies completely on Asian-style martial arts will usually fall victim to a brawler who can get in close (where flashy kicks aren't effective) and rip his opponent apart like bulldogg so adroitly described. Granted I've never seen any of the world masters fight, but how good could a system be if it's students can be overcome by a guy who learned to fight in tavern parking lots?
This is unfortunatly where semantics comes in..eagleztrike wrote:
Wing Chung is part of Wushu
Yeah and ted you gotta train with authentic Chinese instructors to get the full of value of the martial art.
Same as needing to train with Japanese instructor for Karate to get the best.
I understand your point. When I was living in England and training Kung fu I felt the same way.. This is more becuase of the wrong focus in martial arts training.. Espcially as a lot of kung fu has taken the route of the hippy dippy, make peace not war, fluffy bunny, spiritual enlightenment, finding the self, mystical, qi shooting, bullcrap that it has become. Too many movies, too many wonderful stories, and too much miss understanding has destroyed kung fu..future devil Dog wrote:
Forget about the "art". If you're going to get into a fight where your life is on the line, the last thing you need to know is how to do your kung fu forms and all that crap. Trust me, I used to take kung-fu and felt even more vulnerable because my mind was filled with useless crap that would get me killed. If you want to learn an effective fighting style, check out Brazilian Jujutsu, Judo, Mauy Thai, Kickboxing, or just regular boxing.
Wing Nut said:Is the end it will never boil down to which martial art is better, but who had trained harder and has the more experience (both are needed) more stregnth and more skill are factors that will help
If the Juijitzu fighter was able to get the Wushu fighter on the ground, then it would be over. But he would have to work on getting him on the ground.EagleZtrike said:9/10 for that essay:cheers:
That was really long.
Chinese KungFu should be really effective if trained properly. It is not as easily a fighting method due to it's "flowing style" and also wide range or training with balance, jumps, punches, kicks, and various weapons..
The crazy pure fighting ones like Mui Thai were made solely for in the ring Fighting/Grappling.
But one question here. Do you think if Jujitsu fighter tried to get a Wushu fighter on the ground, would the Wushu fighter be able to dodge it? Jujitsu is all about getting the other person off balance while Wushu is a stand up, jumping, balanced fighting stance.
BTW Future devil dog, that movie was really wierd lol, basically squirming on the ground fighting. Well once their both on the ground, both can't do much in reality. As seen in that video you provided they were giving each other little taps