Would Iraq be in better shape if there are 1 million troops?




View Poll Results :Do you think there are too little troops in Iraq?
YES - we should increase the number of troops 2 20.00%
NO - 140,000 is fine 8 80.00%
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October 23rd, 2004  
Red_Army
 
 

Topic: Would Iraq be in better shape if there are 1 million troops?


If there were 1 million US troops in Iraq, instead of 140,000. Would Iraq acheive democracy much quicker? Could the terrorists be out numbered? Will there still be violence on the streets?
October 24th, 2004  
ravensword227
 
No we should not increase our troop presence in Iraq.

As history shows no country has ever invaded and brought a democratic from of government to another people. It never has and it never will. If the Iraq people don’t want to fight for our idea of “democracy”, we will remain over there indefinitely, creating more and more rebels each day. What we really need is more Iraqi troops.

Also note that more troops would mean more casualties when the rebels set off area effect weapons like IEDs. Supposedly, one of the things that is gaining us support is that terrorist typically kill ten or twenty civilians for every one of two U.S. soldiers they kill. For example: We set up two or three soldiers handing out candy to Iraqi children in “Indian country”; this in it’s self gains us public support, but if the militants decide to attack, they kill the children also, thus screwing up any reputation they had as a “Freedom Fighter”.
October 24th, 2004  
Patriot_1989tobeyond
 

Topic: Re: Would Iraq be in better shape if there are 1 million tro


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Originally Posted by Red_Army
If there were 1 million US troops in Iraq, instead of 140,000. Would Iraq acheive democracy much quicker? Could the terrorists be out numbered? Will there still be violence on the streets?
Just a question: sont the Iraqis already have democracy?
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October 24th, 2004  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
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Originally Posted by ravensword227
As history shows no country has ever invaded and brought a democratic from of government to another people. It never has and it never will. If the Iraq people don’t want to fight for our idea of “democracy”, we will remain over there indefinitely, creating more and more rebels each day. What we really need is more Iraqi troops.
Then what do you call the reforms of Germany, Japan, and Italy after WWII???
October 24th, 2004  
ravensword227
 

Topic: Re: Would Iraq be in better shape if there are 1 million tro


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Originally Posted by Patriot_1989tobeyond
Just a question: sont the Iraqis already have democracy?
No, it’s called martial law with a “democracy” candy coating. When we invaded Japan, we didn’t straight up install a democracy, now did we?
October 24th, 2004  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
dude, it is impossible to go from dictatorship to democrocy overnight.

Even after WWII, it took years under the Marshall Plan to ensure that Japan and Germany would not revert to their old ways.
October 24th, 2004  
ravensword227
 
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Originally Posted by Doody
dude, it is impossible to go from dictatorship to democrocy overnight.

Even after WWII, it took years under the Marshall Plan to ensure that Japan and Germany would not revert to their old ways.
I don’t disagree with that, but we didn’t invade Japan and Germany to bring democracy. We invaded them to keep them from hurting us or “reverting to their old ways” just like you said. The people of Japan and Germany wanted democratic reforms and we allowed it.

Now, let me ask you something. Is it freedom or democracy in Iraq if we run candidates that are all on the U.S. government payroll?
October 24th, 2004  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
no it is not. As long as the US is running the show, Iraq will not be living in a democracy. It will probably be another year or so before Iraq is free.
October 24th, 2004  
egoz
 
ravensword227 is right about trying to install a democracy in Iraq. the reason it'll never happen isn't because we don't have enough troops or anything like that, it's because democracy clashes with every single religious belief there is in Iraq. in order for them to be a democratic state they'd have to put democracy above religion, and that will never happen. it was attempted back after world war 2 but even then clerics and other religious figures had to modify and overlook teachings to achieve a democratic government.

what we really need in Iraq is another Saddam Hussein that we approve of. that's the truth, you can ask any caseop working with iraq. look at the history of iraq, before saddam it was like afgahnistan, years of fighting and war because of religion and land battles. when Saddam was president he was an atheist, he didn't give a what religion you were, he'd kill them all. it was relatively peaceful back then wasn't it? the only time his genocide and internal terrorism became a problem was when he invaded kuwait. but even then, kuwait was technically part of iraq until the western world divided up the middle east to suit their needs. but that's a whole 'nother reason why they don't like us.
October 24th, 2004  
The Doctor
 
And the more troops that are sent there, the more the Iraqi people- in fact the world community as a whole- will see it as occupation as opposed to liberation. The only result from that would be an even more intense hatred of the West, more people willing to side with the terrorists and insurgents, more violence... and even more casualties, both our troops and Iraqi civilians.
The way things are now we obviously can't jump out early and leave everything so messed up there, but at the same time sending more troops out will simply compound the existing problems and create new ones for the future.