nah, it isnt very accurate and not long range, i think somewhere in this forum theres a joke that some drunk russians shot each other with thomsons and they never got each other,

i perfer the ppsh 41

Someone's main source is the People's Scientific Propaganda Monthly

Originally Posted by paratroopa

nah, it isnt very accurate and not long range, i think somewhere in this forum theres a joke that some drunk russians shot each other with thomsons and they never got each other,

i perfer the ppsh 41

The PPSh 41 was a fine weapon but the Thompson was the better submachine gun. I think the only real drawback that the Thompson had was it was hard to take apart to clean and put back together. But still it was reliable anyways.

Oh and... the PPSh was much better because it was SO MUCH MORE ACCURATE right?

Oh and... the PPSh was much better because it was SO MUCH MORE ACCURATE right?

World War 2 sub machine gun, accurate? hmmm, I think not

Originally Posted by AussieNick

World War 2 sub machine gun, accurate? hmmm, I think not

My point exactly

"Oh and... the PPSh was much better because it was SO MUCH MORE ACCURATE right?"

Personally i have NEVER seen any accurate RUSSIAN gun.

Ok, they are able to hit a man standing at 50m but they can never hit a coin from 150m or 300m like western made guns. Russians just can't manufacture high quality barrels with their ancient manufacturing systems.

Yes I know that was the point I was being sarcastic. AGGGHH...

No argument here, the thompson was much better made than the ppsh - no contest! The .45 had way more knock down power than the 7.62 Tokarev - again no contest.

The ppsh was also much cheaper to manufacture than the thompson. The 7.62 had considerably more range than the .45 - as well as enough penetration to get through the thick German coats used during WW2. That's one of the reasons the cartridge was designed! To penetrate the thick coats. the old Mosin nagant revolvers would get cought up in the coats fibres....so they came along with the Tok and thus the ppsh. Just my 2 cents.

The PPSh's ability to be mass produced even made an impact in the Korean War, though the stories there were that these rounds didn't penetrate the winter coats. Then again we all know the Germans were low on winter jackets in the Eastern Front.
I guess South Koreans at the time never expected to see so many automatic weapons at once. They called the class of weapon, the Submachine gun, the "double gun" because it could fire twice as fast as their M-1 Garands.

I always thought that the Tok round was so god at penetrating, though I did hear that the korean and chinese ammo was sub standard because of bad powder - Can't remember where I read this though.
The Tok round is quite a round. I love it - high velocity and small enough to use as a pistol round.

Weren't all the PPsh class guns fully automatic with no fire selector? I think so, or was it just certain variants? I can not stand the thought of using fully automatic weapons, unless they are SMG's against numerous enemies, but I have seen video's of soldiers from different countries whose adrenaline started flowing and they put 30 rounds into one man's chest, two things, A. What a waste of ammunition, and B. that shows a lack of respect for the dead. Even terrorists who died should be honored because they at least at the courage and faith to fight and die for a cause, something I see missing in all to many of my American compadres. (Cough *Democrats* Cough)