Who was the worst American general or battlefield tactician? - Page 8




 
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February 4th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
Nobody's refuting that MacArthur was a prima donna or that Nimitz was a modest commander who deserved more credit than he got. Still MacArthur's achievements are his own as are Nimitz's. My father was also at Iwo and all the campaigns for the most part from Guadalcanal on up. He always spoke well of Mac but he spoke more highly of Nimitz. I don't think you need to denigrate one commander to applaud the other. My dad certainly was of that opinion. One other thing about MacArthur, his units gained more land faster than any other US field commander's in WWII except Patton yet his casualties were 1/10th Patton's. You know who _I'd_ rather have served under.
February 4th, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
That McArthur was a great tactician is true. I was only speaking in answer to Zuchinni's Reference that other sides of Dougie were not being addressed.
February 4th, 2005  
Zucchini
 
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Originally Posted by 03USMC
That McArthur was a great tactician is true. I was only speaking in answer to Zuchinni's Reference that other sides of Dougie were not being addressed.
That's what I meant by my dad agreeing with Mac's assessment's of the Navy and the Marines.

Dad thinks Mac was brilliant when the led was flying.

He doesn't think the Marines were brilliant when the led was flying. Brave, but not brilliant.
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February 4th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
Understood, 03USMC. MacArthur was a pain in the ass no question about it, but a brilliant pain in the ass as we all agree.
February 4th, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
Yes he was brilliant. He did in the Pacific what very few commanders could have done. And I don't believe anyone but McArthur could have or would have even attempted an Amphibous Assault at Inchon let alone carried it off the way he did.
February 4th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
You're certainly right about Inchon. The JCS told him he was crazy to attempt it. Bradley, who was CJCS at the time, stopped just short of forbidding him to do it and sent him a memo that basicly said it was not going to be backed up if he failed. It was his butt alone in the sling. Only MacArthur would've been brilliant enough to conceive it and ballsy enough to do it.
February 19th, 2005  
Mike Main
 

Topic: Worst Commander for the US?


The choices you guys have brought up have some merit. Mac had a major ego problem. Hasley was like Patton, a great leader but a little reckless.
But I think if I had to pick the worst person to put in change, it would be Burnside from the American Civil War. The guy was a non-stop nightmare for the Union. Even he thought so! If you thought Grant was bad, check this guy out. At least Grant found a way to get what he was after.
Burnside not only managed to loss almost every battle he was involved in, but do it in a way that was humiliating and demoralizing to his troops. It doesn't get any worse than being under General Burnside's command. :roll:
February 22nd, 2005  
MontyB
 
 
Hmm how does McClellan not get a mention here?.

Surely if his plan was to build an army and park it outside Washington until the CSA got bored and gave up then he was well on his way to becoming a roaring success but otherwise he was overly cautious and probably single handedly extended the war by two years.
March 25th, 2005  
Mike Main
 
McClellan wasn't great. His biggest problem was he was too slow. Lee was always a step a head of him. He seem to lack the element of surprise all the time.
I still think Burnside was worse though. I'm not sure he ever did anything right. I am amazed he made it to that high a rank.
March 25th, 2005  
CavScout
 
Major General Benedict Arnold....why you ask? Because he chose the wrong side...