Originally Posted by SHERMAN

do a google for both planes, than a google for israel+china+arms sales.

Google doesn't tell you everything. There is alot of classified information about the US's M1A2s and Bradelys that I know are not posted on the interenet.(thank God) So, if the US is secretive about some specs of vehicles then I know China is very secretive about its own specs. But I know you want to discredit them in everything so why don't you or anyone want to start a war with China? It would be a way to prove your point.

But I know you want to discredit them in everything so why don't you or anyone want to start a war with China? It would be a way to prove your point.

I think you are going a bit far. First of all, I donwt have any need to discredit them. Saying that my country sold China weapon systems certinly isent helping me. However, the rumores were and still are that china used alot of israeli and russian tch o that plane.

As for starting a war with China, they are an idustrial powerhouse, have unlimited manpower, and they make OK weapons for them selves. 5000 OK tanks can beat 1000 exellent tanks. I would not like to put my Merkava MK2b against 5 T-62s, even though I think that my tank is vastly better.

Originally Posted by Alexin_Cobra

listen man, the M1A1 uses a turbine engine not a jet engine. When the tank is hit in it's rear engine compartment, it just disables the engine. It does not explode. I know this because I've been in a tank unit working with the vehicles for 4 years and served a tour north of Bahgdad. The Brits only had the peaceful Basra area which didn't have many IED attacks if any at all. So, the Challenger 2 has not really had enough battle testing.

That is not a true statement in regards to Challie 2s not see their fair share of IED attacks.

Also, what aircraft engine is the Lycoms based off of.

Originally Posted by Alexin_Cobra

You can't even rank the Leopard II, because it will never see any real combat. When was the last time the Germans seen a battle? My point exactly.

So how many countries operate Leo 2 series tanks besides Germany, and are they not participating in hostile operations.

Originally Posted by Bacara

ok, the russians have a proven explosive reactive armor that will stop the latest abrams round, also russian training is improving, and are going into a mostly volunteer army, which helps alot. The tanks that we fought in iraq are cheap export models that are not even comparable to the russian versions. Finnally in a large scale war, like a US vs Russia, or US vs China, as Lenin once said "Quantity has a quality all it own" no i not a communist

The Russians have not proven anything, especially the capability to stop a M829A2 or A3 round. Which ERA tile arrangement will perform this task.

Originally Posted by SHERMAN

Im sorry, bacara, but im afraid your wrong. Reactive armor is made to defeat HEAT rounds, in the manner described by hokieSMG. You might be thinking about Active armor systems, or active defense systems....

Not entirely true, latest generation ERA tiles do in fact have KE defeating capability, especially for older KE projectiles.

Originally Posted by Bacara

no i have sources

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontakt-5

it is proof to the latests M1A2 rounds like the M939A3

I would take what you find on WIKI with a grain of salt, how many M829A3 rounds have been circulated in to U.S inventory. HA HA.

Originally Posted by Alexin_Cobra

the RPG 7 is not affective to many of our bradleys and tanks]
my brigade has come under RPG attacks all the time in 2007 and we have not lost any Bradleys or tanks to an RPG 7. The RPG 29 was not used in the IRaq war. But since you were not there and didn't do anything ,you just speaking off the top of your head. I had to research the RPG 29 and brief my platoon prior to entering Iraq just in case we came in contact with it there. That weapon was only used in war between Hesbula and Israel. It was fire at weak spot on the side of a Merkarva Tank

Be thankful that the insurgents do not know how to operate them properly, a RPG 7 can cause a mobility kill on a Merkave or M1 series.

Originally Posted by Alexin_Cobra

Oh and you are not annoying with you down playing written facts or reports and continuing to call me names? If you are such a brainiac then why can't you come up with written facts? I didn't critize Israelis, I just said they were not there in Iraq. Its not that I care about opinions but you don't let it go. You defend your guys or whatever, I'm just siding with the report.

He is not calling you names, I have trained with enough British soldiers to know this, please lighten up.

Originally Posted by Alexin_Cobra

Oh, you now reporter or analyst now? You just admitted you were not an expert already, so drop the subject and quit answering me.


The U.S. has a powerful diesel engine made for it but contracts prevent us from fielding them

Are you stating that we cannot run diesel in our engines.