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View Poll Results :Will there be a WW3 and who may be invloved??
Yes, there will be a WW3. 60 55.05%
Maybe, there will be WW3. 36 33.03%
No, certainly not. 13 11.93%
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November 25th, 2004  
Celestial Intellect
 

Topic: Views of the Opposition


WWIII will surly happen, because we simply tend to think/talk about it and that is sufficient enough to bring an event in the realm of possibilities. As for how and when it happens no one is sure, yet a great possibility is that it will be triggered in Middle East over Israel issue.

In my view, though may be flawed to the core, no longer a single country can become a super power, it simply won’t happen, instead countries will work as teams to overcome US. Recently it has come to my attention that Iran is working to join Russians and Chinese together and form a triangle of power. European countries joined only to economically challenge the US. Yet in case of Iran, China and Russia they have little in common in cultural and historical terms, yet they all have the same Anti American Domination gaol. So as you see it’s a mix of survival, revenge, hatred and control.
US economy is already in decline and I personally believe that every Superpower has a time and it will eventually collapse. Persian, Egyptian, Babylonian, Mongols, Ottomans, Greeks, Romans, Germans, Soviet Union, Moslem Era when they conquered Spain; they’re all gone and surly US will follow. As a Moslem I believe in Qur’an; it says that every nation has a time, even the earth and sun have their own time, this is not a place to stay, it’s a bridge and no one should build anything on it!

I think I should clarify some points about Islam here for those unfortunates who don’t know the truth; I think some of them are related to the Armageddon, WWIII or whatever you call it, please don’t take it personally for I’m only giving you neutral facts to observe:
(Note: Qur’an is a book unaltered and holds the direct word of Allah to the prophet Mohammad through the inspiration angel Gabriel it is not a scripture and all the Moslems including Sunni and Shi’a hold the same book! Islam is the last guidance to mankind)


1- Qur’an recognises Christianity and Judaism; Jesus and many other prophets that all were sent by god as messengers. We believe that Jesus was born miraculously, for Allah is so exalted in might that whenever he wants to create something he merely says “be” and it “is”. He also gave Jesus some super natural powers. Just as he favoured his other messengers with other different powers also he says that Jesus was not crucified but god took him up to himself and he will return to earth before the Day of Judgment!
2- We do not believe in Trinity, yet the very term exists in Qur’an but not in Bible!!! Qur’an says: …glory to him he is beyond the qualities they attribute to him…
3- Now you may think these Muslims are a bunch of fanatics who kiss the ground 5 times a day! But will you read your own bible? Jesus indeed was practicing a similar prayer style, yet you have forgotten it all.
4- God in Qur’an says he favoured the nation of Israel above any other nation and it was only after they had transgressed that Allah prohibited the flesh of Swine/Pork. Now it is clearly condemned in Christianity and Judaism and Islam yet only Muslims seem to be following! Alcohol is also forbidden…
5- Allah says before the Judgment day probably before the return of Jesus as well a massive group of alien creatures that greatly outnumber men will come to earth and kill everyone and consume the whole water on the earth, Qur’an says: finally Allah will create an insect which will bite at the necks of these aliens and they will all die. This maybe, shows that human with the entire technology advance will fall to this disaster and Allah with creation of an insect will save humanity. As for how these aliens will come, all we know is that Allah somehow removes the barriers that once where holding them, whether they will come from space or the core of the earth, who knows?! But it seems that they are not intelligent. This is a prophecy yet to come.
6- Qur’an says if there is only one day left to the judgment Allah will establish a just government over the whole world, and that Islam will eventually prevail. Islam rejects nationalism which breeds patriotism and nation worship instead embraces humanism, also there is something that we call Taqwa it is a state of heart in every person in believing in Allah and no one has any right nor has any knowledge to say a certain nation or people or person has more Taqwa than the other only God knows and that’s it. You can have no religion and yet be pure at heart but Islam is the most advanced way of living in which every man has a police in his own heart which prevents him from committing crimes, Do NOT judge Islam by looking at Moslems like me, for I’m merely trying to be one. It is a disciplined way of life with all the rules and no matter how west hates it we want it rule our country.

You see! The Russian naval fleet has been rusting at the docks for a long time they no longer try to keep up with US naval fleet for it costs a lot, they don’t have the money, in fact who has except US of A!? So the wisdom is to create chip, effective anti ship missiles like Sunburn and sell them to allies like Iran and China. I heard the new ones that were shipped to Iran were specially modified to distinguish between the main career ship and the smaller ships around it! Islamic republic of Iran’s military is purely defensive and it is damn tough and improving fast, by the 2006 we will launch our satellites, only 10 countries in the world can make and put satellites in orbits. By the 2008 we will mass produce Iranian made Shafagh stealth fighter, yet all this doesn’t mean that militarily we’re superior, no far from it, but it means we are more than capable of defending ourselves, now to relate to the subject I think Bush and Sharon will do their best to attack Iran as soon as possible, because it may become too late! Hence the way I see it is that they will try and they will fail in Persian Gulf, and then afterwards Zionists will launch their nukes on Iran and there goes WWIII.
Now that is my story and you have your own, let’s see what will happen…
Russians got latest tech, Chinese with the help of Iran will have a stable and growing economy to put pressure on US economy, Iran’s got the resources and the strategic location and these friends will veto anything against Iran just as US’s been doing for Israel, Iran will easily dodge the sanctions. Remember after the Oil is gone there is Gas and Russia is the first country in gas resources and Iran is the second country in the worldnot to mention the uranium mines Iran can even export nuclear fuel, so after while everyone needs fuel! But they won’t accept this economical defeat so US will back Israel to attack Iran, it will happen for sure, but remember Iran is a large country and unlike the US effort to destabilise the Islamic regime majority of people even though may not be happy with the government will back their country. I as an ordinary Iranian don’t blame everything on my government that has only existed for some 25 years and is yet to evolve and also 8 years of those 25 years has been fighting Saddam. In fact I’m grateful that they kicked the US influence out by the revolution. “Marg bar zede velayate faqih!” oh boje moy!
I shall gladly answer all your possible questions.
November 26th, 2004  
Darcia
 
Sorry I am not debating on this issue once religeon gets involved. I will come back once we get of this topic of religeon and WW3
November 26th, 2004  
Damien435
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dameon
Sorry I am not debating on this issue once religeon gets involved. I will come back once we get of this topic of religeon and WW3
Open your eyes and look at the world's problems, most of the world's arguments/conflicts today are because of religious differences, to ignore the effect of religion on world conflicts is to ignore many of the world's conflicts.
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November 26th, 2004  
Darcia
 
Yes I agree but I am not going to debate pure religous beliefs.
November 26th, 2004  
Damien435
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dameon
Yes I agree but I am not going to debate pure religous beliefs.
Ok, I see what you mean, I thought you were going to ignore Religion as an issue, I agree totally on that score.
November 26th, 2004  
gladius
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dameon
Yes I agree but I am not going to debate pure religous beliefs.
I agree with Dameon here, you simply can't. No matter what explanation you give no matter how logical it sounds, it all goes out the window.

This is exactly why WWIII will start.

I've been trying to say this, but I guess most everyone here either doesn't really believe me or see what this means, well here you had a perfect example.
November 26th, 2004  
Nick E
 
I think that WW3 will probably start about 10-15 years in the future. I say this because of the trouble in the middle east and that they might secetrly build a nucular weapon or something like it and get itchy with the trigger and the states will launch one at them and the middle-eastern countries will ally exept for a few who will be terrorized and the states will go and help out.

Thats just my opinion
November 26th, 2004  
Ezechiel
 
Altough I like peace, but I hope I can see a war in my life career :

North,South Korea and China conquered Japan.

Oh Jesus, I know this is not right, but Japanese must taste for what they done!
November 26th, 2004  
Darcia
 
I think WW3 (or 4,5,depends on who is keeping count) Will take Place in the Middle East and Africa, for the most part with the exception of a few things Asia and Europe have worked out thier hate for each other with things like the EU. and China's new Silk Rode. The Middle East and Africa however are unstable and full of resources just waiting for a mad man to come in and take over then use the resources to build a giant army.
November 27th, 2004  
westwater
 
IMO,the WW3 will take place in TAIWAN strait in a short future. cause is obvious:steadily growth of TAIWAN's independency tendency will annoy china ,then china have to settle the issue in unpeaceful method.But Taiwan is also loved by some other nations ,and they must try to prevent china to do that. so a great wai will happen which can lead to WW3.maybe the time is tomorrow,who knows.