why are we wasting time in iraq - Page 7




 
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Boots
 
May 13th, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
What if I came over to your place, beat the living daylights out of you, raped all your female relatives then stole all your stuff?
Would a guy who busted in and beat me up, but took a good 15 minutes to do it (a 15 minute fight is a very long fight!) be wasting his time? Should he just ignore the screams coming from your home and just merrily go off on his way home even though he knows that he has the power to stop it?
It's just a bigger version of that.

If you say that's just an invasion, then imagine you live in a house where your father (or stepfather) is extremely abusive and has done pretty much everything I listed above on a pretty regular basis.

Sometimes it helps to think of a situation in the abstract.
May 13th, 2005  
7.62
 
 
Quote:
The war there will never end you cant just defeat geurilla warfare+ all the international terrorists that arrive there
Actually there is a very simple way: Get rid of their training and financing. We've done that with Al-Queada in Afghanistan. Note that Americaa has NOT been attacked on its homeland since 9/11. That is because we removed finamcing and many, many training centers. I do believe we have made a mistake in not occupying other countries. (namely Sria, Iran, Jordan, and Yemen) If we take these areas of finance/training out, we will more than likely see a dramatic drop in terrorist activity. Although we will never get rid of ALL nsurgents, we will, eventually remove most. And if we take some casualties then we will. The American soldier, when he takes the oath of service, knows he is protecting not just US interests, but the people of the world, from tranny, persecution, and fear.
May 13th, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
You won't get rid of it entirely yes, this is very true. But you can reduce it.
It's like how crime will never go away. You don't respond to that by scrapping the police.
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Boots
May 13th, 2005  
Redneck
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xion
Seems that you did not get me. Don't include me in the whiners list nor the lovers list of the US. What united states does (diplomatically or militarily) is their own business, I never said the US should have handled the situation diplomatically, what i wanted to point out was how what you posted about the righteousness of united states in invading iraq (freeing all the ppl of the world and all that political propaganda) was not the case.
And it seems that you did not "get me," either, seeing as I posted some of the reasons why I believe we are justified in our action in Iraq. I'm sorry if I missed another memo here, but last time I checked, my personal opinions and beliefs didn't quite fall under the category of propaganda. And I'm afraid you have included yourself on the "whiners list" by your own statements on this forum (which is fine, it is your opinion).
May 13th, 2005  
Xion
 
Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?
A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction.

Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction.
A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.

Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?
A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of mass
destruction, did we?
A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll
find something.

Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?
A: To use them in a war, silly.

Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to
use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we
went to war with them?
A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those
weapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend
themselves.

Q: That doesn't make sense. Why would they choose to die if they had
all those big weapons with which they could have fought back?
A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.

Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those
weapons our government said they did.
A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those
weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway.

Q: And what was that?
A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam
Hussein was a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade
another country.

Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his country?
A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.

Q: Kind of like what they do in China?
A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic
competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in
sweatshops to make U.S. corporations richer.

Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American Corporate
gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?
A: Right.

Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?
A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government.
People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and
tortured.

Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?
A: I told you, China is different.

Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?
A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while
China is Communist.

Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?
A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.

Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?
A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba
are sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Like in Iraq?
A: Exactly.

Q: And like in China, too?
A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other
hand, is not.

Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?
A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed some
laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business
with Cuba until they stopped being communists and started being
capitalists like us.

Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and
started doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become
capitalists?
A: Don't be a smart-ass.

Q: I didn't think I was being one.
A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba.

Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?
A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam
Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a
legitimate leader anyway.

Q: What's a military coup?
A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a
country by force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the
United States.

Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?
A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan
is our friend.

Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?
A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.

Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power by
forcibly overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an
illegitimate leader?
A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he
helped us invade Afghanistan.

Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?
A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.

Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?
A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men, fifteen of them Saudi
Arabians, hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into
buildings, kiilling over 3,000 Americans.

Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?
A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive
rule of the Taliban.

Q: Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off
people's heads and hands?
A: Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off
people's heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.

Q: Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million dollars
back in May of 2001?
A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job
fighting drugs.

Q: Fighting drugs?
A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from growing
opium poppies.

Q: How did they do such a good job?
A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban
would have their hands and heads cut off.

Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and hands for growing
flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people's heads and hands off
for other reasons?
A. Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off
people's hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if they cut off
people's hands for stealing bread.

Q: Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in Saudi Arabia?
A: That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical patriarchy
that oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were
in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not
comply.

Q: Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?
A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering.

Q: What's the difference?
A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest
yet fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body except for
her eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of
patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman's body except for
her eyes and fingers.

Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name.
A: Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis
are our friends.

Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th
were from Saudi Arabia.
A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.

Q: Who trained them?
A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.

Q: Was he from Afghanistan?
A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very bad man.

Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.
A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet
Invasion of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.

Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald
Reagan talked about?
A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or
thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We
call them Russians now.

Q: So the Soviets, I mean, the Russians, are now our friends?
A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years
after they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support
our invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now. We're also mad at the
French and the Germans because they didn't help us invade Iraq either.

Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?
A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French
fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do what
we want them to do?
A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade.

Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s?
A: Well, yeah. For a while.

Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?
A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him
our friend, temporarily.

Q: Why did that make him our friend?
A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.

Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?
A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we looked
the other way, to show him we were his friend.

Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically
becomes our friend?
A: Most of the time, yes.

Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically an enemy?
A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations can
profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the
better.

Q: Why?
A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for
America. Also, since God is on America's side, anyone who opposes war
is a godless unAmerican Communist. Do you understand now why we
attacked Iraq?

Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?
A: Yes.

Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?
A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells
him what to do.

Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because
George W. Bush hears voices in his head?
A. Yes! You finally understand how the world works. Now close your
eyes, make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.

Good night, Daddy
May 13th, 2005  
Desert_Eagle
 
Wear did you pick that conversation up?
May 13th, 2005  
LIBERTY
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunner13
OK, Xm 8, please square up the following statements for me:

I'm a American patriot and ready to serve.

So why are we "wasting our time" there? h**l, my family's never been massacred by Saddam, why should I care? THANK YOU!!!!!!! Thats exactly right!!!!!!!!!!

I don't get it.

BTW, have any of you noticed that by engaging and killing them in Iraq and Afghanistan that they can't direct their efforts against us here or at our allies?

Opps kindof missunderstood what Redneck said. My bad.
May 14th, 2005  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Ugh, Xion's little jig was torture, needlessly long and narrow. Keep it PITHY!
May 14th, 2005  
Gunner13
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xm 8
Opps kind of missunderstood what Redneck said. My bad.
That's OK - I asked and you answered
May 14th, 2005  
Gunner13
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chocobo_Blitzer
Ugh, Xion's little jig was torture, needlessly long and narrow. Keep it PITHY!
LORD, YES. Please, please, Please.

XION what are you trying to say here that we, and many nations around the world, had what turned out to be bad intel? Ok, we sure did. However, Sadam & Company WERE rearming using the Oil for Food Program and the sanctions against Iraq were darn near inop. Just look at the information coming out of the investigation. It was only a matter of time before Sadam restarted his biological and chemical weapons programs and developed a nuclear device. THEN where would we all be

There is also the tiny little matter of the 17+ UNSR resolutions failed to comply with. If the UN is too lame to enforce it's own resolutions, then someone has to, or the UN just goes out of business.

Your attempt at humor kind of left me cold too. Don't worry, the US and it's Allies will do the heavy lifting here, never fear