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This is why I support CCW
 
April 17th, 2007  
Donkey
 
 
This is why I support CCW
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarsh
No, Rabs is right. It is common sense, but because it contradicts your opinion you don't wish to see it.

You say my argument flawed but you don't elaborate as to why. Therefore, its a rather a meaningless statement. You are also attempting to change the subject. We are not talking about hunting, but about CCW.

But for your information, I was in college was in rural Indiana. In about as conservative republican as you can get in the Mid-West. And yes, their were hunters, but the students who hunted were locals who left their guns at home. You don't spend $25K a year in tuition, in order to hunt. But rather, to get an education. Having fewer guns on campus means you will have fewer shootings.

Its pretty simple math.
Well sorry my school allowed weapons and out of state people brought them granted there was rules but some did not obey them all and keep weapons in their car...Then again Vermont has some of the least gun restrictions in the country...

It is not common sense, see guns where already BARRED FROM VIRGINIA TECH...YET IT DID NOT STOP THIS....so tell me how regulating them more will stop it...please I would like to see and understand your logic of prohibiting and banning things which will make problems go away...
April 17th, 2007  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by C/1Lt Henderson
We can hardly compare the state of New Zealand to the continental United States...There's a bit of a difference as far as size in area and population goes...
It was a direct response to 5.56's "questions" about New Zealand gun laws, gun owners and criminals.

I would however say that statistically you can compare the two on a per capita base which that study does.

Quote:
Originally Posted by major liability
What type of guns are you allowed to own in NZ? It's a nice country but I wouldn't consider living there without my future FAL and AR-15s.
You are allowed to own "almost" any weapon as long as you have the proper license, with those two rifles in particular as long as they are semi-auto you only require a restricted license which is not difficult to obtain, if they are still automatic then you will require a collectors license which is very difficult to obtain (by difficult I mean it can take up to 6 months to get one).
April 17th, 2007  
phoenix80
 
 
Fox News claims the crazed gunman signed his disturbing letters as Ismail AX

Atlas Shrugs and Fox News is reporting that the killer had ISMAIL AX written in red ink on his arm along with a note left in his dorm that railed against:
"rich kids" and "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.
This blog ties it to Islam:
Just heard it on Fox News. Cho Seung-Hui left a suicide note and signed it as Ismael-AX (or Ismail-AX as the media published just now). Ismael is the Arabic for Ishmael the father of the Arabs, the son of Abraham and the one that Muhammad the founder of Islam favored above Isaac the father of the Jews. This terror seems to have indeed been motivated by Islam. Muslims believe that it was Ishmael that Abraham almost sacrificed on the mount of Moriah rather than Isaac. The feast of sacrifice, Eid Al Adha, celebrated by Muslims, celebrates that event by slaughtering sheep. Ismail-AX definitely slaughtered many innocent people like sheep yesterday.
We shall see. And what kid uses words like "debauchery and charlatans?
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This is why I support CCW
April 17th, 2007  
major liability
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by phoenix80
And what kid uses words like "debauchery and charlatans?
An insane one that shoots up classrooms?
April 17th, 2007  
Rob Henderson
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarsh
No, Rabs is right. It is common sense, but because it contradicts your opinion you don't wish to see it.

You say my argument flawed but you don't elaborate as to why. Therefore, its a rather a meaningless statement. You are also attempting to change the subject. We are not talking about hunting, but about CCW.

But for your information, I was in college was in rural Indiana. In about as conservative republican as you can get in the Mid-West. And yes, their were hunters, but the students who hunted were locals who left their guns at home. You don't spend $25K a year in tuition, in order to hunt. But rather, to get an education. Having fewer guns on campus means you will have fewer shootings.

Its pretty simple math.
Fewer guns carried by LAW-ABIDING people. That doesn't mean every criminal in the school wont have a gun anyway. Having few guns on campus only allows those who will bring guns regardless of the laws free access to unarmed victims.
April 17th, 2007  
mmarsh
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by C/1Lt Henderson
Fewer guns carried by LAW-ABIDING people. That doesn't mean every criminal in the school wont have a gun anyway. Having few guns on campus only allows those who will bring guns regardless of the laws free access to unarmed victims.

I don't know if you saw my earlier post. Most campuses ban weapons. In my post I showed that there have been only 7 incidents of this type within the past 41 years. Or 1 incident every 7 years. As tragic as this incident is, and as desperate as we feel to make radical changes in order to prevent it from happening again, (which won't work) thats still remains a pretty insignificant number. More people are killed in airplane crashes, and thats an insignificant number too. We arnt going to tell people to take the train now are we? If we have an incident like this every 7 years, it sounds like keeping the guns off campuses is working. You allow more guns on campus, violent crime will increase (simple law of averages).

Again referring back to my previous post, In every school shooting case, including this one, the gunmen had 1) bought the guns legally 2) had no prior criminal record. In this case, the receipt for the handgun was still in his backpack.

So the NRA argument that legal guns owners are all law-abiding citizens is totally untrue.

BTW, there are people that can carry guns on Campus. They are the Campus Police. Lets leave the law enforcement to the pros and not the vigilantes.
April 17th, 2007  
major liability
 
 
I kind of agree on one thing with mmarsh: There will always be crazies that slip under the radar, and there will always be senseless killings such as the ones that took place at Virginia Tech.

However, I think allowing CCW in more locations would actually be helpful in stopping the murders, rather than lead to more.
April 18th, 2007  
5.56X45mm
 
 
Israel and Thailand armed their teachers and college professors. America should do the same.
April 18th, 2007  
Rob Henderson
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarsh
I don't know if you saw my earlier post. Most campuses ban weapons. In my post I showed that there have been only 7 incidents of this type within the past 41 years. Or 1 incident every 7 years. As tragic as this incident is, and as desperate as we feel to make radical changes in order to prevent it from happening again, (which won't work) thats still remains a pretty insignificant number. More people are killed in airplane crashes, and thats an insignificant number too. We arnt going to tell people to take the train now are we? If we have an incident like this every 7 years, it sounds like keeping the guns off campuses is working. You allow more guns on campus, violent crime will increase (simple law of averages).

Again referring back to my previous post, In every school shooting case, including this one, the gunmen had 1) bought the guns legally 2) had no prior criminal record. In this case, the receipt for the handgun was still in his backpack.

So the NRA argument that legal guns owners are all law-abiding citizens is totally untrue.

BTW, there are people that can carry guns on Campus. They are the Campus Police. Lets leave the law enforcement to the pros and not the vigilantes.
Yes, the gunman bought the gun legally, but if others did too,then we wouldn't have to wait 2 HOURS before authorities respond to a 9-1-1 call. Yes, the first shooting and the second shooting...There was a two hour time period between the two, and police were called after the first one. Hmm...Maybe if someone had a gun on campus, then they could have stopped Cho before he got to the 32 OTHER people he killed...
April 18th, 2007  
phoenix80
 
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm
Israel and Thailand armed their teachers and college professors. America should do the same.
At every israeli university you want to enter, there is a metal detector and armed security officers asking you if you, if stranger or visitor, are armed or not.

US must do what Israel does in terms of securing its people
 


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