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Finally a straight answer for this topic. The US was not using the right escort service, how obvious.

Like the dancing around the fires part.

As Master Sun Tzu said, one should not only win the war in the front, but also the war at home.

It was the bleeding heart liberals in congress that stopped the bombing of the Ho Chi Min Trail that lost the war for us. In 1968 I was at the bottom of the trail about 10 miles south of Saigon in a Infantry Unit and up until they stopped the bombing they only had the Viet Con to fight and they weren't really into fighting. After they stopped the bombs the NVA showed up.

Any time there was one military force against another military force, the United States force won every single battle. It was ONLY because Congress would NOT allow the military to carry out conventional warfare, that the war was lost. As Paddie said, the bleeding heart liberals were dead-set against carrying out bombing in the North that would have forced North Vietnam to come to the Peace Table to seek a cessation of the war that was raging in the South. As in any real war, you have to hurt the other side bad enough that THEY want to stop the fighting. Being unable to take the war to the heart of the North, we were unable to force the issue. Granted the Vietnam War was a guerrilla war, bombing the North (as we did in Germany), would have forced them to be serious when they came to the Peace Talks (which they never were).

Bottom line: IT WAS NOT THE MILITARY THAT LOST THE VIETNAM WAR.

Originally Posted by Chief Bones

Any time there was one military force against another military force, the United States force won every single battle. It was ONLY because Congress would NOT allow the military to carry out conventional warfare, that the war was lost. As Paddie said, the bleeding heart liberals were dead-set against carrying out bombing in the North that would have forced North Vietnam to come to the Peace Table to seek a cessation of the war that was raging in the South. As in any real war, you have to hurt the other side bad enough that THEY want to stop the fighting. Being unable to take the war to the heart of the North, we were unable to force the issue. Granted the Vietnam War was a guerrilla war, bombing the North (as we did in Germany), would have forced them to be serious when they came to the Peace Talks (which they never were).

Bottom line: IT WAS NOT THE MILITARY THAT LOST THE VIETNAM WAR.

Well I agree with your overall conclusion that the military wasn't to blame for the failure of the vietnam war. I do ask however if it was the lack of a "conventional" war that was to blame.

Yes we should have launched Linebacker II from the get go, but would that have been enough? The thing is, its extremely difficult for a conventional army to defeat an irregular one, to my knowledge it only happened once in the past 50 years in Greece after WWII. Its precisely whats going on in Afghanistan right now, while the taliban aren't beating us it certainly looks like they have got us chasing our own tail.

I think the ultimate reason of the vietnam war's failure was that the US backed the wrong horse. So fervent were we in our anti-communist zeal that we failed to recognize that we were protecting several corrupt dictators who ruthlessly oppressed their own people, while the communists were a highly motivated, nationalist movement with wide public support.

When you in this type of situation, it doesn't matter who many troops and guns you got, chances are you are going to lose. We Americans should know about how a underfunded underequipped army smashed a top notch military fighting force. Just ask the British at Yorktown.

Then again, I'll be the first to admit Im talking out of my as*, as when you were fighting in Vietnam I was getting my diapers changed.

the North knew the war was un popular and relied heavily on the political upheaval and dissension. and they got it. in spades.

we jumped for joy when we heard this. officers and enlisted. I was in training in san diego.

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United States Lost the war because they were making their stakes on bombs - rather than finding allies. Bombs are just boxes that kill - they will not rule the country you wish to capture. Bombs are important in right place and right time, but without the proper homework - they are useless.

The US hadn't done their counterinsurgency homework.
It's a chronic problem with the US military and the US in general, it wants to think that every war is World War II.

Originally Posted by NoNameAtAll

United States Lost the war because they were making their stakes on bombs - rather than finding allies. Bombs are just boxes that kill - they will not rule the country you wish to capture. Bombs are important in right place and right time, but without the proper homework - they are useless.

Gotta have feet on the ground to clean up the mess, country building in its very nature, is very expensive, time consuming, and very very difficult to do, in this day and age, as far as I can see, the U.S. is the only power who endeavors into it.

Dont know but was told, all that was left in VietNam were 12 year old boys and the US didn't see it as competition, you know????