Why is China being against the US-S.Korea joint military exercise?

[Kruska]

The DPRK being loony is a misconception.
Do you realize just what a miracle it is that Kim Jong-il is still in charge of North Korea? That is a work of a genius. An evil genius, but genius nonetheless.
They like to instill a sense of craziness to us because it instills fear. No one really wants to screw around with a guy who's actually really nuts.
But under all of that is a country ruled by a regime that is scared to death of its own implosion. It believes that it can still survive and as long as that belief survives, they are not going to do something truly over the top.
I think the reason why they took so damned long decide what to do about that RoKS Cheonan incident was probably because they didn't expect such high casualties in that attack. Previously they would be pretty vocal about "smashing the puppets of the evil Americans" but this time it was different.
Hopefully the next time they try to pull that sh1t off our guys will just sink all enemy vessels within range.
The bottom line is, North Korea is VERY much afraid of going to war. They practically know that if it comes down to that, they are finished.

Hello ACoM,

partially I agree with you - some might also term Hitler and his Nazis as looney's - despite the issue of Hitler and many in his gang having been a mad genius.
In contra, I believe that as long as the threat of war can be played by Kim - his position is save as ever. His prey and pawn is South-Korea. He and his gang are certainly not in illusion in regards to surviving an outright war towards the USA or China - so the threat towards Seoul needs to be nourished - "smashing the puppets of the evil Americans".

As such the sinking of a RoKS Cheonan is just perfect for the job - maybe more such incidents are needed to keep him firmly in power and "exercises" provide the continued feeding for such "incidents".

I firmly believe that Kim want's peace - he dreams every night of being acknowledged by the USA, so as to continue on his elaborate livestyle - since the US and many other countries are openly not in his favor and as such threaten his future pensionist livestyle - how can the poor man secure his and his families future?

So to me - either smash the bugger once and for all (would include Chinas consent - and China's ability to form the new DPRK government - such as that of the USA in Iraq) or open the borders bring in money and prosperity and most likely an internal revolution will end his reign anyway.

But playing exercises - and lashing back at him with his own favoured rethorics, IMHO is not going to change anything to the better.

Regards
Kruska

 

[A Can of Man]

Exercises help keep the forces trained and well prepared.
RoKS Cheonan's sinking was odd in that usually when there is any sort of engagement between North and South Korea, South Korea usually wins pretty decisively.
North Korea's biggest weapon is also garnering the sympathy of South Koreans with the hopes that they will vote for a candidate that is more open and sympathetic towards North Korea as was the case with the two previous presidents in South Korea. Incidents like the RoKS Cheonan actually hurt them more than anything else.
With a South Korea friendly to North Korea, North Korea's safety and survival is practically guaranteed.

 

[Kruska]

Exercises help keep the forces trained and well prepared.
RoKS Cheonan's sinking was odd in that usually when there is any sort of engagement between North and South Korea, South Korea usually wins pretty decisively.
North Korea's biggest weapon is also garnering the sympathy of South Koreans with the hopes that they will vote for a candidate that is more open and sympathetic towards North Korea as was the case with the two previous presidents in South Korea. Incidents like the RoKS Cheonan actually hurt them more than anything else.
With a South Korea friendly to North Korea, North Korea's safety and survival is practically guaranteed.

Hello ACoM,

I never disputed that exersises are a necessity - it is the timing and location that I question.

Also I believe that you might have missunderstood my previous post - sorry for not having been being clearer on the matter.

The Dear Leader is not interested in a friendly Seoul at all - neither was East-Germany interested in a friendly West-Germany or obtaining its sympathy. In order for these regimes to survive they need an enemy - they need to point out the imminent and horrible dangers posed by a South Korea in order to keep their people suppressed and as such keep their power. A friendly Korea would ultimatley result in his demise from power - a friendly Seoul will lead to a unfication process and one unified country would only have one Dear Leader and that Leader wouldn't be him.

But a friendly USA and EU would provide the financial assets for him to stay in power and still suppress his population. A Seoul doesn't have the $$ to make him and his people happy whilst being seperated.

So Dear Kim is IMHO a looney - since he dreams of obtaining financial and political acknowledgement by the USA, China and the EU that would allow him to stay in power - whilst at the same time building up his country and suppressing his people.

Imagine a Hitler being given many many $$ and political acknowledgement by the USA and the rest of the world in 1938 - he would have still attacked Poland but not the West, (Which he didn't anyway since the others declared war on him) and would have taken his sweet time to build up his Greater Germany in order to wrestle it out with Stalin.

Kim is nothing else - forget about the term communism - his Stalin is primarily Seoul - and he want's the "Kim Dynasty" (Not communism) to rule a united Korea.

So to me he is a genuine loony far more then a genious.

Regards
Kruska

 

[A Can of Man]

You don't understand a thing.
A friendly Seoul was the best thing Kim Jong-il ever had.
Many of his decisions are made to weaken the current administration under Lee Myung-bak who is not pro-North Korea.

 

[Kruska]

You don't understand a thing.
A friendly Seoul was the best thing Kim Jong-il ever had.
Many of his decisions are made to weaken the current administration under Lee Myung-bak who is not pro-North Korea.

I see, and when according to your understanding - was there ever a friendly Seoul? if he wanted a friendly Seoul then what ever happened to the Rajin-Sonbong zone? it is and was entirely up to Kim. His constant military threads and actions - long before the Lee Myung-bak government, the supposed sinking the RoKS Cheonan is part of KIM's apeacement policy towards creating friendship with Seoul?

So tell me, what benefit is a "friendly" Seoul to him? and how is he going to sell this "friendship" to his population?

A "friendly" Seoul as you might understand it - would send the US troops back to the US and then what?

According to your understanding - a friendly Seoul will welcome Kim with open arms - right? - Geeezes even a Kim is realistic enough to know that this will never happen. So friendly for what?

How according to your understanding is he explaining towards his own people the hardship that his population is enduring? with a friendly Seoul ?
His people are taking all this "hardship" since they believe or are made to believe that the South Korean government dogs of the US imperialists have forced this situation onto the DPRK. And therefore the DPRK has to take the burden of hardship in order to prevent the DPRK to come under the same "opressive slave rule" of the agressive and warmongering US Imperialists.

Kim has never changed his rethorics - even not towards the so called sunshine politics of South Korea. A Lee Myung-bak and his promises of change towards conservatives in regards to driving a hard line towards the DPRK is exactly what Kim needed - a new picture and object for spreading hatred and giving his supressed and impoverished population a reason to continue to endure hardship.

Maybe you should pay the DPRK a visit to get a primary understanding of their political indoctrinated dogmas.

So if there would be a friendly Seoul - then what are the DPRK buggers suffering for?

The news and facts about a friendly, rich and non-warmongering West-Germany - circulating through East-Germany is what brought down this dictator government in East-Berlin in the first place and not the USA, NATO, Mr. Gorbatchow or military exercises.

A friendly Seoul was the best thing Kim Jong-il ever had. (Stated by a 28 year old "NBC Defense Specialist")

Regards
Kruska

 

[A Can of Man]

How about you STFU?

 

[03USMC]

I see, and when according to your understanding - was there ever a friendly Seoul? if he wanted a friendly Seoul then what ever happened to the Rajin-Sonbong zone? it is and was entirely up to Kim. His constant military threads and actions - long before the Lee Myung-bak government, the supposed sinking the RoKS Cheonan is part of KIM's apeacement policy towards creating friendship with Seoul?

So tell me, what benefit is a "friendly" Seoul to him? and how is he going to sell this "friendship" to his population?

A "friendly" Seoul as you might understand it - would send the US troops back to the US and then what?

According to your understanding - a friendly Seoul will welcome Kim with open arms - right? - Geeezes even a Kim is realistic enough to know that this will never happen. So friendly for what?

How according to your understanding is he explaining towards his own people the hardship that his population is enduring? with a friendly Seoul ?
His people are taking all this "hardship" since they believe or are made to believe that the South Korean government dogs of the US imperialists have forced this situation onto the DPRK. And therefore the DPRK has to take the burden of hardship in order to prevent the DPRK to come under the same "opressive slave rule" of the agressive and warmongering US Imperialists.

Kim has never changed his rethorics - even not towards the so called sunshine politics of South Korea. A Lee Myung-bak and his promises of change towards conservatives in regards to driving a hard line towards the DPRK is exactly what Kim needed - a new picture and object for spreading hatred and giving his supressed and impoverished population a reason to continue to endure hardship.

Maybe you should pay the DPRK a visit to get a primary understanding of their political indoctrinated dogmas.

So if there would be a friendly Seoul - then what are the DPRK buggers suffering for?

The news and facts about a friendly, rich and non-warmongering West-Germany - circulating through East-Germany is what brought down this dictator government in East-Berlin in the first place and not the USA, NATO, Mr. Gorbatchow or military exercises.

A friendly Seoul was the best thing Kim Jong-il ever had. (Stated by a 28 year old "NBC Defense Specialist")

Regards
Kruska

F**K ME. How Bout you STFU puffer. He's a ROK National and a veteran of the ROKMC and I have no f***in doubt in my military mind that he has more of a finger on the pulse of that region of the world than your Rudey-poo ass.

Hell he lived it. Unlike you who is just spouting rhetoric.

How bout this? With a twisting pulling motion reach down and extract your head from your 4th POC and listen to the recognized SME on Korea and shut yer man pleaser.

I am more than sure that the opioion of some one with boots on the ground in the islands off Korea is more subjective and on point than some German waxing philosphical.

So slow yer ****in roll. Numb Nuts.

 

[Botak]

I see, and when according to your understanding - was there ever a friendly Seoul? if he wanted a friendly Seoul then what ever happened to the Rajin-Sonbong zone? it is and was entirely up to Kim. His constant military threads and actions - long before the Lee Myung-bak government, the supposed sinking the RoKS Cheonan is part of KIM's apeacement policy towards creating friendship with Seoul?

So tell me, what benefit is a "friendly" Seoul to him? and how is he going to sell this "friendship" to his population?

A "friendly" Seoul as you might understand it - would send the US troops back to the US and then what?

According to your understanding - a friendly Seoul will welcome Kim with open arms - right? - Geeezes even a Kim is realistic enough to know that this will never happen. So friendly for what?

How according to your understanding is he explaining towards his own people the hardship that his population is enduring? with a friendly Seoul ?
His people are taking all this "hardship" since they believe or are made to believe that the South Korean government dogs of the US imperialists have forced this situation onto the DPRK. And therefore the DPRK has to take the burden of hardship in order to prevent the DPRK to come under the same "opressive slave rule" of the agressive and warmongering US Imperialists.

Kim has never changed his rethorics - even not towards the so called sunshine politics of South Korea. A Lee Myung-bak and his promises of change towards conservatives in regards to driving a hard line towards the DPRK is exactly what Kim needed - a new picture and object for spreading hatred and giving his supressed and impoverished population a reason to continue to endure hardship.

Maybe you should pay the DPRK a visit to get a primary understanding of their political indoctrinated dogmas.

So if there would be a friendly Seoul - then what are the DPRK buggers suffering for?

The news and facts about a friendly, rich and non-warmongering West-Germany - circulating through East-Germany is what brought down this dictator government in East-Berlin in the first place and not the USA, NATO, Mr. Gorbatchow or military exercises.

A friendly Seoul was the best thing Kim Jong-il ever had. (Stated by a 28 year old "NBC Defense Specialist")

Regards
Kruska

I think you need to consider the old saying about throwing stones in glass houses...

FACT - North Korea INVADED South Korea in 1949.

FACT - The People's Republic of China interceded in the Korean War against a UN Mandated Operation, making it an aggressor.

If anyone needs to step back and STFU it's Pyongyang, not Seoul. If you can't objectively analyse a situation and discuss it rationally, do us all a favour and bite your f*cking tongue.

 

[Chukpike]

F**K ME. How Bout you STFU puffer. He's a ROK National and a veteran of the ROKMC and I have no f***in doubt in my military mind that he has more of a finger on the pulse of that region of the world than your Rudey-poo ass.

Hell he lived it. Unlike you who is just spouting rhetoric.

How bout this? With a twisting pulling motion reach down and extract your head from your 4th POC and listen to the recognized SME on Korea and shut yer man pleaser.

I am more than sure that the opioion of some one with boots on the ground in the islands off Korea is more subjective and on point than some German waxing philosphical.

So slow yer ****in roll. Numb Nuts.

All this from a moderator?

What ever happened to the crusty, tough but FAIR Marine Sargent we learned to know and love from John Wayne movies?

Just because ACoM has spent a few years in South Korea does not realistically give him an exclusive on having the "right opinion".

On a International Forum I do not think being a National of one country is a requirement for voicing opinions on other countries politics.

So in your own FAIR unbiased words; "How Bout you STFU puffer." quote03USMC

 

[Kruska]

How about you STFU?

Hello ACoM,

Why don't you answer my questions - in order to at least give a try to backup your "understandings" about Korea and Kim?

Hello 03USMC,

thanks for your great contribution.

Hello Botak,

please, at least try to read posts before you sprout your opinions and making statements that are totally besides the issue being discussed.

Regards
Kruska

 

[A Can of Man]

I'm sure you're smart enough to figure it out.
I was thinking about writing it but it'd simply reveal too much information. If you can dig it up, great, but you're not going to get it here.
North Korean wanting South Korea to like it more than America. Is that actually hard to understand?
Read up on Vietnam. It'll give you a clue.

Chukpike pretending to be all civil. That's hilarious.

 

[Kruska]

I'm sure you're smart enough to figure it out.
I was thinking about writing it but it'd simply reveal too much information. If you can dig it up, great, but you're not going to get it here.
North Korean wanting South Korea to like it more than America. Is that actually hard to understand?
Read up on Vietnam. It'll give you a clue.

Chukpike pretending to be all civil. That's hilarious.

Hello ACoM,

I was thinking about writing it but it'd simply reveal too much information.
You are a hillarious fellow indeed

North Korea needing South Korea to be its enemy focus - is that actually hard to understand?

Read up on the DPRK propaganda dogmas and their party ruling system- it will give you a clue.

VIETNAM??!! - I see, according to your understanding - North-Vietnam's government needed South-Vietnam's government to like it, in order to win - great understanding about Vietnam and it's totally non-relevant issues in regards to the Korean conflict of 2010 indeed.

Regards
Kruska

 

[A Can of Man]

F*ck off Kruska.
Do I want to tell you the ins and outs of the South Korean military and the impact these things have etc? No. I don't think so.
What North Korea tells its people and the way it engages the South Korean populace are two very different things.
What are you, twelve years old?

Must be the monkey brains.

 

[Kruska]

F*ck off Kruska.
Do I want to tell you the ins and outs of the South Korean military and the impact these things have etc? No. I don't think so.
What North Korea tells its people and the way it engages the South Korean populace are two very different things.
What are you, twelve years old?

Must be the monkey brains.

Hello ACoM

Well - your answer proves my point all the way - thanks

Regards
Kruska

 

[A Can of Man]

Yeah, that you're a dumbass.

 

[Kruska]

Yeah, that you're a dumbass.

Hello ACoM,

No - but one day you might realize that those who start to resort into calling people names and using foul language - are the ones who actually have a problem.

Regards
Kruska

 

[A Can of Man]

Like I said, I know why. Plenty of folks in South Korea know why.
But I'm not going to put it up on an open forum where people who are not on our side (like you) can read it.
If you can dig it up in some part of the internet, then good for you. But you won't get it here.

 

[03USMC]

All this from a moderator?

What ever happened to the crusty, tough but FAIR Marine Sargent we learned to know and love from John Wayne movies?

Just because ACoM has spent a few years in South Korea does not realistically give him an exclusive on having the "right opinion".

On a International Forum I do not think being a National of one country is a requirement for voicing opinions on other countries politics.

So in your own FAIR unbiased words; "How Bout you STFU puffer." quote03USMC

How bout you stay in your lane and keep your nose out of it.

 

[Kruska]

Like I said, I know why. Plenty of folks in South Korea know why.
But I'm not going to put it up on an open forum where people who are not on our side (like you) can read it.
If you can dig it up in some part of the internet, then good for you. But you won't get it here.

Hello ACoM,

this is a political discussion about Kim's dogmas towards the South and other countries. What would your faint military knowledge about the ROK's military capabillity have to do with this issue?

Who do you actually believe would be interested in that supposed military knowledge that you have - and it is not being asked for anyway - since it has nothing to do with the topic.

LMAO about you!! have a nice day - and I am surely not interested to upkeep any further discussions with a calling names and foul language fellow like you playing kids games and trying to be Jack Ryan - you are sooo bloody hilarious - unbelievable.

Regards
Kruska

 

[03USMC]

Hello ACoM,

this is a political discussion about Kim's dogmas towards the South and other countries. What would your faint military knowledge about the ROK's military capabillity have to do with this issue?

Who do you actually believe would be interested in that supposed military knowledge that you have - and it is not being asked for anyway - since it has nothing to do with the topic.

LMAO about you!! have a nice day - and I am surely not interested to upkeep any further discussions with a calling names and foul language fellow like you playing kids games and trying to be Jack Ryan - you are sooo bloody hilarious - unbelievable.


Regards
Kruska

You go on and keep trolling. Please just keep trolling. I beg you keep trolling my slack is taken up and I'm waiting for hammer fall. Keep trolling.