jason_420
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1 beer won't kill you, however 1 line will **** you up.
All depends if that was my last beer in the fridge!! You could be in a world of hurt.
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1 beer won't kill you, however 1 line will **** you up.
I think you'd better read his post more carefully, you obviously completely missed the point. The druggies may be the only ones "harmed' by their habit, but it is the rest of the population who become targets for the crime to support their habit and also the cost of mental institutions and hospitals to house them.Surely this is a good argument to legalise it, use the proceeds to further drug education & get rid of most of the criminal element, bring it out of the shadows - after all it is plainly lucrative, so why not indulge people in their chosen vice - if controlled they are the only ones harmed.
I think you'd better read his post more carefully, you obviously completely missed the point. The druggies may be the only ones "harmed' by their habit, but it is the rest of the population who become targets for the crime to support their habit and also the cost of mental institutions and hospitals to house them.
Nothing a Ma-Duece or a few well placed depth charges can't handle.
Coasties could have a field day.
Drug addicts are fools with no one to blame but themselves. I don't see why I should have to fund their medical and mental health problems as well as the crime that is a direct result of the industry.Then all the more reason to legalise this industry. The point is that demand has created and funded crime families, who are perpetrating violence, against each other, with innocents caught in the middle. Also the addicts would have a proper place to go for their fix - and could thus be controlled. THe revenues from "taxing" this habit could go towards education programmes, health programmes etc. As for drug addicts resorting to crime to get their fix - which they do now, would they be any worse than alcoholics, nicotine fiends etc who resort to crime to feed their habits?
Whilst I dislike drug addicts, I pity them and if we as a modern society can do something to remove the criminal elements hold and power over them - that is for society's benefit & makes money for the govt concerned.
Legalising dope will just encourage more weak willed and impressionable idiots to try it out, as if we don't already have enough problems with Tobacco and Alcohol. As little good as it is, at least the law does stop a certain percentage of persons from trying it out. (those with at least a semblance of a brain).
Yes, the fact that it is legal, is largely behind the reason so many kids try Smoking and drinking. It's legal, so where is the harm in it? Did you ever know a first timer who actually enjoyed the taste of cigarettes, .. yet they went on as a result of it being legal and the thought that it made them "cool".Is that why so many people try alcohol? Nicotine? Yes we have problems from these, but alcohol & drug use have been prevalent since centurion was a rank. It is political groups which have decided what is "acceptable" & what is not. The law controls access to alcohol & nicotine, the same could happen for drugs. And like both of the legal vices, drugs could be heavily taxed as a further means of control.
If you care to think about it logically, what you are advocating is exactly the same as saying, "To cut down on Breaking and entering, we should leave our houses unlocked" Yes it would certainly stop the crime from occurring, but the costs to society would be horrific. At least so long as it is illegal, it is marginalised, and that in itself minimises the damage. We may not be able to stop it, but there is no reason why we should give up trying.I understand your point, mine is that whilst I deplore the situation, drugs are here & here to stay - because there is a demand for them. It is better to control the situation than sweep it under the carpet & let it create a sub-culture & criminal underworld - which is what is happening now.
That is a truism it is at first glance logical, but it does not survive for long under close scrutiny. What you are saying might be true if there were only one option, however there are many other simpler and less damaging options, than making it legal.The definition of madness is to keep doing the same action, expecting a different outcome - which is what we (society) keep doing, maybe we could try a different tack?
The fact that these things happen is no reason to legitimise them, thereby agreeng for the public to pick up the tab to support their happening.My point is that drugs are prevalent - whether you like it or not. I'm not saying that drug users are responsible members of society, neither are drink drivers, smokers who smoke around other people or people who live in high risk fire areas and have wooden houses, or people who live in flood areas but don't have flood insurance etc etc etc. So why not turn the situation to the advantage of society as a whole, rather than marginalising some people so that they are at the mercy of criminals?
The fact that these things happen is no reason to legitimise them, thereby agreeng for the public to pick up the tab to support their happening.
They are not at the mercy of anyone, as no one made them become involved. It was a free choice and they were aware of the consequences. In short they were idiots, and now they have to pay for the stupidity of their decisions.
We already pay to clean up the mess, lets not increase the mess ten fold, by making it legal.
That is my point exactly. We do it because they contracted these problems doing something that is legal, so why would we wish to add to our woes and legalise drugs?As we pay for cancer victims who contracted through smoking, alcoholics who can't hold down jobs or end up with chronic medical conditions and so on. ... etc., etc
The answer is simple if you care to think about it.The point is that we are picking up the medical tab for drug users, and for the victims of their violence & crime - why not try & make it contribute to society & remove the criminal control?
No law has ever prevented crime from taking place, but that does not mean that we should just get rid of all our laws.Simplistic solutions are short on analysis, and harmful when simlpistic solutions are used. Did you forget the success of prohibition? As a result of that legislation, we developed a criminal class that is still with us. Do you really believe laws against or laws allowing drugs will make any real difference to those who use them? Did prohibition stop the use of alcohol
Pardon??... of course they become criminals, the fact that they have used drugs is against the law and therefore they are by default criminals. Murderers are still murderers, and subject to the full force of the law, regardless of the fact that they may have previously been good citizens. The same applies to any criminal.Further, not all drug users become addicts not all users become criminals. But a law can come in and label you a criminal for possession or use, and place you in a cage, regardless of your background or past good citizenship.
Yeah, yeah, yeah,... why don't we stop all crime by just not having any laws at all. It will save a the tax payers a fortune and countless hours of cops time. They could sit back and play solitaire all day.http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization
Prohibition is insanity. The longer it lasts the more suffering there will be on both sides of the issue.
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