US amplifies non-existent Chinese military threat - Page 3




 
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March 14th, 2005  
chewie_nz
 
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My reaction to the article... it lost its creditability (for me at least) when its title worded "non-existent Chinese military threat ".
Lost credibility with me in the first 2 words "Self-serving US..."
Lol. That's how I see it too.

Who wrote this, someone related to Bagdad Bob?

Just ask yourself if China's military threat is non-existent why is it pushing hard to aquire European high-tech weaponery?...please.

Clearly propaganda with very little objectivity. People who keep reading articles like this and believing them, end up with tunnel vision.

it written by a writer in london....it's at the bottom, maybe you didn't get that far.

of course china is spending up large on Mil tech. their army is outdated, esp in light of the US steamrollering of iraq. just as the US sees china as a threat...i'm sure vise versa is true. so what are they supposed to do? sit on their hands.

p.s just because someone doesn't toe the us line, doesn't make them "bagdahd bob"
I read the whole thing, yes even the part about the writer from london.

The "Bagdad Bob" comment was because it was so ludcrously one sided to far left, that its to the point of well ... being ludicrous.

Just because they don't tow the US line doesn't mean they can't report objectively.

That piece of reporting was NOT objective.

If you want to report, report the facts, don't report it in such a way to influence the readers to your particular political point of view.

If keep believing stuff like that you will no longer see the facts enough to make sound judgements, and you only see what you want to see.
i couldn't agree with you more on the bias of this article....just a bit sick of seeing the rhetoric on this sight. sorry!
journalism is something close to my heart and i see so much bad reporting!
March 15th, 2005  
gladius
 
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And the Chinese media doesn't report propaganda? Please...
you added that, i didn't.
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Anyone making that statement who's living in China isn't exactly in a position to say another country's news is propaganda.
speaking for china doesn't means i have to be living in china or be a chinese, you have just prove the point. in fact, i am living in Toronto Canada.
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Our media isn't the one totaly controlled by the government. I suppose the Chinese media tells the absoulute truth every time, you should hire Bagdad Bob.
i didn't say that neither, you made that up. that's exact my point, when topic related to china, your media is out of controled. controled is bad, out of controled is equally bad.
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I think you need to read a little bit more you could have spared yourself writting that long answer.
which one the author said is not true? throwing out a word to dismiss others opinion in the article is right thing to do?
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The topic was NOT that China was a threat, but the topic was that it was a "non-existent threat". Its not a big threat, but "non-existent threat" it is not.
You're not living in China, my mistake I admit to that.


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sum up my fact:

i am in toronto, canada, i watch BBC CBC, not CCTV news.
i didn't say china don't do propaganda, in fact, i am pointing out that not only china does propaganda. if all pro-china view is considered propaganda, i hardly think they were not been brain washed as well.
i listen CNN and CBC news everyday, to be fair, CNN's "fact report" was misleading comparing to the BBC abd CBC, what american main stream media is missing is articles like this. They can put huge man hours to educate public the hate, but not even allow some friendly realtions to build up, sadly.

speaking on the topic? i certainly think china is not threating US, but, instead, US is threating china! i have explained in my last part of the reply. US is persuiting interests in an very dangours place, it's not important for their survival, but, seeking benifits, putting itself in danger, you can't blame the other said as threat to you when not limiting your own action. US and china are competetors, i do agree, but a threat? no!

i have said it clear, there is nothing that we can't talk to solve, we certainly not looking for trouble, we don't go into wars if not life-threatened, we would not start wars with US, there is no reason for us to do so, but it doesn't means US won't self-willingly get in one, will that means we were threating US? or the other way around?
You listen to the BBC and you call our news propaganda, HA! give me a break!

The artitcle was not that China is threat, but that is a "non-existent threat". I already said its not a big threat. That fact that you are willing to believe it is a "non-existent threat" leads me to believe you are the one listening to pure propaganda.

The reason China, a non-democratic nation, is somewhat of a threat is because it wants to aquire Tiawan, a democratic nation (much less powerful than China), by intimidation, and or, use of force if it can.
Please don't tell me this threat is non-existent.
March 15th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
lol, there u have to open the old wound of the taiwanese issue that redleg has put so much effort into sewing it back

well alls over and ur the salt


taiwan is a rebel province that must back in CHINESE power

lol, u only care about taiwan because it is aginist the chinese government and its an ally of us
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March 15th, 2005  
gladius
 
No, I care because it is a democratic nation.

But let's not get into this, because its really off the subject, the topic was the "non-existent" Chinese threat.

I know you all who support China would like to paint it as a saint who can do no wrong, ...but please, that's pure propaganda, which was the point of the discussion with k19.

Don't tell me that a non-democratic nation who is growing more powerful is not going to be a threat to other countries that are democratic and less powerful.
March 15th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
man you guys are pretty static, just like those therories that think man cant live past 1976 because of food shortages.

soon china will be more and more free till it comes a point where it will turn democratic


lol, less democraic countries, we dont touch them , we dont need them, they could carryon their daily lives

like why would we need vietnam?? or why do we really need to have kazakhanstan???
March 15th, 2005  
k19
 
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You listen to the BBC and you call our news propaganda, HA! give me a break!

The artitcle was not that China is threat, but that is a "non-existent threat". I already said its not a big threat. That fact that you are willing to believe it is a "non-existent threat" leads me to believe you are the one listening to pure propaganda.

The reason China, a non-democratic nation, is somewhat of a threat is because it wants to aquire Tiawan, a democratic nation (much less powerful than China), by intimidation, and or, use of force if it can.
Please don't tell me this threat is non-existent.
seriously man, do you know what are you talking about? how far do you understand about china's politics? do you know what they were doing or trying to do everyday? no, you don't, at least i see how demacrtic works, so don't you try to use "demecrtic" to impress me man.

seriously, don't even start talking about Taiwan. both sides haven't fired a single shot over 50 years for a reason, everybody knows why. so exactly who is forcing whom to fire up, you have to get it clear. that's where US media trying to reduce the casue, but enlarging the so called "chinese threat".

you better read other's post carefully and then saying things, you were the one that started crowning other's opinion as "propaganda" man. china does not do all the things right even base on my point of view, never said they do, or never tried to say it. and what is "right" anyway? who to judge? either they do it right or wrong, i am sure they have the reason to do so and plenty people agree to it.

even we "threating"(with an "if" of course)taiwan, what it has anything to do with your sercurity?--- a country was almost on the other side of the earth? why, because over all, it would reduce US's infulence and interests in aisa, where were not willing to give up!

the thing is very simple, US has many choices to deal over events in aisa, but china has none, so who is playing whom? and who is been threatened? force to go to war, and choice to go to war are two different things.
March 15th, 2005  
gladius
 
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seriously man, do you know what are you talking about? how far do you understand about china's politics? do you know what they were doing or trying to do everyday? no, you don't, at least i see how demacrtic works, so don't you try to use "demecrtic" to impress me man.

seriously, don't even start talking about Taiwan. both sides haven't fired a single shot over 50 years for a reason, everybody knows why. so exactly who is forcing whom to fire up, you have to get it clear. that's where US media trying to reduce the casue, but enlarging the so called "chinese threat".

you better read other's post carefully and then saying things, you were the one that started crowning other's opinion as "propaganda" man. china does not do all the things right even base on my point of view, never said they do, or never tried to say it. and what is "right" anyway? who to judge? either they do it right or wrong, i am sure they have the reason to do so and plenty people agree to it.

even we "threating"(with an "if" of course)taiwan, what it has anything to do with your sercurity?--- a country was almost on the other side of the earth? why, because over all, it would reduce US's infulence and interests in aisa, where were not willing to give up!

the thing is very simple, US has many choices to deal over events in aisa, but china has none, so who is playing whom? and who is been threatened? force to go to war, and choice to go to war are two different things.
First of all this is NOt about China being a threat, but a non-existent threat, can you even understand the difference, like I said before you could have saved yourself alot of writting. Anyone saying that China is a "non-existent threat" is propaganda.

Anyone with half a brain knows that although China may not be a big threat, the fact that it is a non-existent threat is ABSOLUTELY PROPOSTROUS!

Crowing someones opinion as propaganda is definately right that it is propaganda. News should be fact not opinions.

Saying China is a "non-existant threat" is opinion, when it is presented as news then it becomes propaganda, maybe you don't know the difference anymore.

Second of all, you were the one who was saying that listening to US news is propaganda.

Thirdly what even though Tawain may have nothing to do with US security, neither does Tawain have to do with China's security. It could still go on existing without Taiwan, so you really got no point here.

Fourthly this whole dicussion has to do with the article the article being bordering or simply outright propaganda, even the original poster, chewie_nz has the good sense enough to know this, even though he doesn't agree with everyon here he knows were the line is drawn between fact and fantasy(I commend him). So I really don't see the basis were you are trying to take this other than to paint China as a saint which it is not, so spare me the propaganda.
March 15th, 2005  
Doc.S
 
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Book: The Grand Chessboard
Author: Zbigniew Brzezinski
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LINK:
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Cheers:
Doc.S
March 16th, 2005  
k19
 
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seriously man, do you know what are you talking about? how far do you understand about china's politics? do you know what they were doing or trying to do everyday? no, you don't, at least i see how demacrtic works, so don't you try to use "demecrtic" to impress me man.

seriously, don't even start talking about Taiwan. both sides haven't fired a single shot over 50 years for a reason, everybody knows why. so exactly who is forcing whom to fire up, you have to get it clear. that's where US media trying to reduce the casue, but enlarging the so called "chinese threat".

you better read other's post carefully and then saying things, you were the one that started crowning other's opinion as "propaganda" man. china does not do all the things right even base on my point of view, never said they do, or never tried to say it. and what is "right" anyway? who to judge? either they do it right or wrong, i am sure they have the reason to do so and plenty people agree to it.

even we "threating"(with an "if" of course)taiwan, what it has anything to do with your sercurity?--- a country was almost on the other side of the earth? why, because over all, it would reduce US's infulence and interests in aisa, where were not willing to give up!

the thing is very simple, US has many choices to deal over events in aisa, but china has none, so who is playing whom? and who is been threatened? force to go to war, and choice to go to war are two different things.
First of all this is NOt about China being a threat, but a non-existent threat, can you even understand the difference, like I said before you could have saved yourself alot of writting. Anyone saying that China is a "non-existent threat" is propaganda.

Anyone with half a brain knows that although China may not be a big threat, the fact that it is a non-existent threat is ABSOLUTELY PROPOSTROUS!

Crowing someones opinion as propaganda is definately right that it is propaganda. News should be fact not opinions.

Saying China is a "non-existant threat" is opinion, when it is presented as news then it becomes propaganda, maybe you don't know the difference anymore.

Second of all, you were the one who was saying that listening to US news is propaganda.

Thirdly what even though Tawain may have nothing to do with US security, neither does Tawain have to do with China's security. It could still go on existing without Taiwan, so you really got no point here.

Fourthly this whole dicussion has to do with the article the article being bordering or simply outright propaganda, even the original poster, chewie_nz has the good sense enough to know this, even though he doesn't agree with everyon here he knows were the line is drawn between fact and fantasy(I commend him). So I really don't see the basis were you are trying to take this other than to paint China as a saint which it is not, so spare me the propaganda.
you know what, i don't have time and energe to play word game with you, explain everything to you, list every thing CNN have done to show you. Big threat, small threat, or whatever, if you examine the history aspects, you will find these two countries have too many common interests to be calling eachother that.

i just want to point out this one you siad: "Thirdly what even though Tawain may have nothing to do with US security, neither does Tawain have to do with China's security. It could still go on existing without Taiwan, so you really got no point here."

i can tell you in plain English, if taiwan goes independence, china will 100% face political melt down, further threatening the gobal economy, sercurity, and we are talking about 1/5 world population here, could be easily to go out of hand, simply a disaser. Would you even want to let it happen? that's how serious the situation is and how important it to china's sercurity! that's how serious it is! Does it can do the same to US? I think not. Just showed how little you know about china and the situation. No one can paint themselves good in this trouble water, we are in the same boat here, just have to deal with it sooner of later.
March 16th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
well let me ask you this??? if taiwan was authortian and ruled with a hard boot, would us support them??

totally, you guys are so over ur heads here, k-19 is respecting your responses with good answers with no generalizations or stereotypes while ur overiding your statements with them.. a sad day in this forum indeed

it doesnt matter if taiwan is democratic, it doesnt matter whether nobody lives on there or not, the point is us is just trying to cut off taiwan from mother china, such is just imperalism

if you ask me, the non-existent threat is from the unitedstates, not chian, this forum should be called something else