Two more fall out - Page 3




 
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Two more fall out
 
February 2nd, 2008  
Del Boy
 

Two more fall out
Well, it is your ball game, and the most democratic system of choice.
So who the hell are the rest of us to preach politics to those who remain our superiors in that respect.

Except for me of course. (Shhh- Mc Cain.)
February 2nd, 2008  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Infidel
oh, it's always fun to see the outside perspective of our elections.. god knows we are full of it here in the states....
Well if I had to pick one I think it would be McCain but I have to be honest and say that I really don't care who wins much like our own elections later in the year you are basically picking the best BS artist aka Politician.
February 2nd, 2008  
Infern0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Boy
As an American, you are entitled to air your opinion on this important American (historically) and shockingly important issues, but my feeling is that anyone NOT American should Zip it and show a little more respect. Nothing ever strikes me as significant in debate as pygmies attacking giants personally. Americans, yes; others, watch your language.

sorry i have to disagree here;

9/11 happened to all of us, when those planes hit we were ALL americans

the attack, and the events following it had a global effect


i think as long as we are sensitive and thoughful with our comments there is no reason why non-americans cant comment on it, especially when it relates to the US elections that will obviously have a huge global impact.
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Two more fall out
February 2nd, 2008  
DTop
 
 
Good idea!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Infern0
i think as long as we are sensitive and thoughful with our comments there is no reason why non-americans cant comment on it, especially when it relates to the US elections that will obviously have a huge global impact.
How does this fit in?
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Originally Posted by Infern0
guliani's campiegn was the most xenophobic, hate filled pile of crap i have ever seen, and i think he lost a lot of people with the "i was there for 9/11" one trick pony show. im glad people saw through it
February 3rd, 2008  
wolfen
 
Homer Simpson for President.

You can't convince me he'd be worse than the last one or two we've had.
February 3rd, 2008  
Team Infidel
 
 
oh this is going to be a looooooooong election season around here....
February 3rd, 2008  
Infern0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DTop
Good idea!


How does this fit in?

one issue, one crisis does not mean that you would make a good president, from the (admittedly few) chat sessions/debates i saw with guliani, every answer he gave tried to link back to his actions during 9/11....no matter how tenuous the connection


he was trying to ride the coat tails of a despicable tragedy all the way to the white house, and IMHO i found it reprehensible.

his campaign ads really brought it home for me.


i dont think i was being insensitive, and i dont see why you would have to be a US citizen to voice an opinion on something that affects us all
February 3rd, 2008  
Damien435
 
 
I wanted McCain to run in 2004, of course I am going to support him in 2008. Most people attack him for not voting down party lines, for being too liberal for the conservatives of the GOP but too conservative for the liberals of the DNC. The guy makes his decision based on what he thinks is right, not on what his party's platform says he should be. People whine about how polarizing politics are today and complain that all we ever get to choose from are Socialists on the left and Anarchists on the right. Well now we have a legitimate moderate in the lead and I won't be sorry to see him win. In 2000 and 2004 the task wasn't to choose the better candidate, it was to pick your poison. Possibly more so in 2000 than 2004, if that's possible.

I kind of hope Clinton does get the Dems nomination, she might have a larger number of supporters than Obama right now, but there are a hell of a lot more people out there shouting "Anybody but Hillary!" than there are shouting "Anybody but Obama/McCain/Huckabee/Romney!" combined but the people shouting "God look after us if Ron Paul wins!" trump all of those groups. Even Bush thinks Paul is some right-wing nut job, it might be a case of the pot calling the kettle black, but just imagine that visual for a second.

Plus any candidate that earns the scorn of Ann Coulter is going to move up a notch in my book. To throw fuel on the fire, I work at Wal-Mart and I just can't see myself voting for someone who used to be on Wal-Mart's board of directors or whatever Hillary's position was because I know how stupid many of our policies are.

Anybody else think that Romney and Guiliani pretty much destroyed each other in the early rounds of the debates? I watched those early ones, Guiliani and Romney basically ignored everyone else on that stage and starting throwing mud laced with arsenic at one another. "You ran a sanctuary city." "You had illegals cleaning your house." "You made the NYPD walk your mistress' dogs." "You just flip-flopped on ever moral issue six months ago." And then suddenly McCain and Huckabee were 1 and 2 in the GOP with Thompson polling in third wile Romney and Guiliani were asking themselves "Where did I go wrong?"

As for (no offense meant with this word) foreigners weighing in on our elections I have this to say: We pretty much screwed every democracy established between 1950 and 1990 so we probably shouldn't complain about voicing opinions when we may or may not have had non-US friendly candidates killed. Keep it civil and I won't care too much. If you support Ron Paul and I will probably assume you are a Jihadist and only want Paul to win because you know that in a world where America returns to an isolationist policy there are no outside forces to stop you from establishing your little "We hate everyone else" Muslim Empire. Please note I am saying Jihadists think this way, not all Muslims, not by a long shot.
February 3rd, 2008  
DTop
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Infern0
one issue, one crisis does not mean that you would make a good president, from the (admittedly few) chat sessions/debates i saw with guliani, every answer he gave tried to link back to his actions during 9/11....no matter how tenuous the connection


he was trying to ride the coat tails of a despicable tragedy all the way to the white house, and IMHO i found it reprehensible.

his campaign ads really brought it home for me.


i dont think i was being insensitive, and i dont see why you would have to be a US citizen to voice an opinion on something that affects us all
Come on now, there's no way that even you can think that
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Originally Posted by Infern0
most xenophobic, hate filled pile of crap i have ever seen,
can be construed as sensitive and thoughtful. Heed your own advice as well as mine and word your comments and opinions in a non offensive, non-confrontational manner. Your opinions on American politics are of no concern to me nor is your country of residence. PM me or Redleg if you have difficulty with this.
February 3rd, 2008  
Del Boy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Infern0

"was the most xenophobic, hate filled pile of crap i have ever seen, and i think he lost a lot of people with the "i was there for 9/11" one trick pony show. im glad people saw through it "

I have to admit that whenever I see these fashionable references to 9/11 my dander rises. Whenever it is mentioned we get 'O not that again, playing the 9/11 card.'

Well it happened. It happened not long ago. Forget it? Not fudgin likely!
Forget and forgive; yea right - you can do that when it happens to YOU. When it happens to someone else - keep your nose out. It happened to America, and it hurts. There are some here whose countries are completely unscarred by the develish atrocities we have been facing - they should not talk as though these things are nothing, to be discounted, or are now the figments of reactionary imagination. I have to say that if I were American accused of playing the game too hard, I certainly would hold up the two finger Agincourt archers' salute and remind all and sundry of 9/11.

To this day here in England we celebrate the foiling of the centuries old plot to blow up Parliament, and the fate of plotter Guy Fawkes. Until recently huge bonfires were lit all over the country with Guy on top.
That is all bye the bye really and is not my point, but the words of the poem associated with it are relevant. Passed down to us, it went:-

Remember ,remember,
The 5th of November
Gunpwder treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder treason
SHOULD EVER BE FORGOT.

Begging your pardon, I recommend it to Americans everywhere.
 


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