T-90 VS Leopard 2 - Page 5




 
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July 16th, 2009  
Panzercracker
 
Zastava, while i agree that US rode into the Balkans on a great white ***** and since it was such a large dick they never dismounted it to have a look at what and why was Serbia doing but on the other hand your country handled the situation clumsily.

Albanians are a rabid bunch even for a backwards religion like Islam and i'm fully aware of what they did to Serbs but you could have done it via martial courts rather than round up women and kids.

As for people liking Russia, its a barbaric shithole and there is absolutely nothing i could come up with that'd make me feel sympathetic towards them, their history is a disgrace, their nation is primitive, simple and indoctrinated, they're as uncivilized as it can get and i am from Poland so its not like i'm speaking from the moon here.

As for the tanks.

Leo2A5/6 is probably superior in a number of issues i'm too lazy to recount but the difference is not enough to speak about worse/better, ultimately both tanks are unlikely to achieve frontal penetration and disregarding crew training could fight on generally equal footing.
July 16th, 2009  
A Can of Man
 
 
Just about every attempt at Communism or pure Socialism has led to despotic dictatorships.
Ever stopped to think why?
Probably because once you've stripped the citizenry of all their property, that's the only place it could ever go.

The questions regarding your America bashing on what happened in Serbia is very easy.
Don't commit genocide, at least, not that close to Europe and certainly not against people who look a lot like the next door neighbor, the cousin, the brother, the sister, the father or mother of people who live in Western Europe. Not especially when there is a President who is in trouble for getting an unauthorized blow job and is in need of some sort of righteous diversion.
July 17th, 2009  
bulldogg
 
 
13th, you sexy gigolo... LOL.
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July 17th, 2009  
SHERMAN
 
 
get back on topic
July 18th, 2009  
bulldogg
 
 
Leopard takes the T-90 just on the reliability of components. Which one would you rather be strapped into? I'll take Western tech over anything from the Russian or Chinese military any day.
July 18th, 2009  
A Can of Man
 
 
I guess the correct question would be: "Which would you bet your life on?"
July 19th, 2009  
Panzercracker
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldogg
Leopard takes the T-90 just on the reliability of components. Which one would you rather be strapped into? I'll take Western tech over anything from the Russian or Chinese military any day.
Which is why M-16 carbine gets broken by a bit of sand while you can shoot an AK-74 after you drowned it in mud, dipped it in sand and then jumped on it for good measure?
July 22nd, 2009  
A Can of Man
 
 
The sophistication required of a basic rifle is different from the sophistication required from a tank.
July 24th, 2009  
Panzercracker
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
The sophistication required of a basic rifle is different from the sophistication required from a tank.
Yet the supposedly unsophisticated T-90 has the same level of frontal protection, accuracy, range and optics as the Western tank.

While currently Russia is running with spears and riding camels you'd do good to remember were ahead of USA in every department for nearly 20 years after WW2, they have modern weapons which are far far better than their Western equivalents, just not enough of them and the general technical culture sucks.
July 24th, 2009  
A Can of Man
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Panzercracker
Yet the supposedly unsophisticated T-90 has the same level of frontal protection, accuracy, range and optics as the Western tank.
That is speculation.
If Russian hardware worked anywhere near what they advertised, I wouldn't be so skeptical.

Russian tech was starting to show its inferiority even as early as Vietnam. The Russians had MiG-21s as their premier fighter and it was only able to have a shot at American jets because of the ROEs the American aircraft had to follow.
In Korea, the Americans improved the F-86 where it eventually did trump the MiG-15. The MiG-15 was better in the climb but it was deficient in many other areas.

In terms of tanks, I think the real split came after Vietnam with the advent of the US M1 Abrams MBT, and then the M1A1 Abrams which really made the difference. From that point on, American tanks were clearly better than the Russian ones.

The space race however, was a different issue. The Russians were ahead in the beginning and there simply is no denying it. But with the Apollo 11 mission, again, America took the lead.

So I'd say the history of US tech being ahead of Russian tech is pretty long and basically Russians trumpted the ability of their weapons but they constantly failed to make an impact in any of the wars involving them.
 


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