Originally Posted by namvet

the warnings were there. as far back as 2001

no. I didn't vote for Obama. never will

I hadn't seen this information before. I was leaning on the side that held the Bush Administration responsible for much of, not all, but much of the current mortgage housing crisis. Bit of an eye opener. Thanks.

Originally Posted by MontyB

I would suggest that the Tea Party goes further than just point out that the "Emperor has no clothes" because most people I talk to see them more as the political wing of the KKK than a voice of reason now I admit that these people are not Tea Party supporters but they are both Democrats and Republicans, the Tea Party's problems are based on the fact that they are seen as to far from the mainstream to get the moderate vote and it is that section of the electorate that wins elections.

I personally think this was the problem with the McCain/Palin campaign as well, I recall 5.56 saying something about how Palin was galvanising the base support and that may well have been true but it was the far right base she was uniting and they were never going to vote for Obama anyway however her drive to do this alienated the moderates and left, in my opinion having Palin as McCains running mate did more to elect Obama than the Democrats did.

Much like Chess winning elections is about controlling the centre not the extremes.

Oh and I found this which I think explains it well...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/op...WT.mc_ev=click

I have no idea how the TEA Party could be seriously linked to the KKK except those who have bought into the line that "Republicans only oppose Obama because he's black" b******t. The 1st 2 years of the Clinton Admin mirrors Obama including the opposition to ClintonCare. Polls of TEA Party affiliated people show 60% Rep, & 40% Dems & Independants. A lot of those upset with the TEA Party have the I don't care if were going bankrupt was long as I get my check mentality. The MSM did a great job of not vetting Obama while demonizing Palin, who had more expierience than Obama did @ the time. Yeah, Palin obviously wasn't dialed in on national politics & other things, but today people can't seperate what Palin said vs Tina Fey's quips. Here in Fla. TEA Party backed Rick Scott got elected despite serious concerns over his time as head of HCA/Columbia Corp. Funny how fiscal responcibility is now considered by some, @ least, to be "extreme", Business as usual will see us in a situation like Greece & other Nations who skidded too far down the Nanny State path.

Originally Posted by Padre

I hadn't seen this information before. I was leaning on the side that held the Bush Administration responsible for much of, not all, but much of the current mortgage housing crisis. Bit of an eye opener. Thanks.

you've only heard the half of it as democrats lied to to protect their so called "cash Cow"............mack and mae

dems caught lying

Barney Frank, 2005: What Housing Bubble?

Barney Flintstone here was connected with ACORN who for years has been selling mortages to minorities who don't even have a job. this so called party has reached an all time high in corruption. it should be legally eliminated and dissolved.

oh dear. dare we go there???

Illegal Obama "Propped Up" By Congress!

Originally Posted by namvet

you've only heard the half of it as democrats lied to to protect their so called "cash Cow"............mack and mae





Barney Flintstone here was connected with ACORN who for years has been selling mortages to minorities who don't even have a job. this so called party has reached an all time high in corruption. it should be legally eliminated and dissolved.

Frank in the last election was still blaming Republicans for the meltdown that he was a central person in helping happen.

so how did ACORN get banks to write these default loans??? easy. like the mob they had a muscle dept. they went into banks and threatened bankers to write the loans. even going so far as to follow them home and threaten their families. archive from 08

In one of the first book-length scholarly studies of ACORN, Organizing Urban America, Rutgers University political scientist Heidi Swarts describes this group, so dear to Barack Obama, as “oppositional outlaws.” Swarts, a strong supporter of ACORN, has no qualms about stating that its members think of themselves as “militants unafraid to confront the powers that be.” “This identity as a uniquely militant organization,” says Swarts, “is reinforced by contentious action.” ACORN protesters will break into private offices, show up at a banker’s home to intimidate his family, or pour protesters into bank lobbies to scare away customers, all in an effort to force a lowering of credit standards for poor and minority customers. According to Swarts, long-term ACORN organizers “tend to see the organization as a solitary vanguard of principled leftists…the only truly radical community organization.”

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Originally Posted by George

I have no idea how the TEA Party could be seriously linked to the KKK except those who have bought into the line that "Republicans only oppose Obama because he's black" b******t. The 1st 2 years of the Clinton Admin mirrors Obama including the opposition to ClintonCare. Polls of TEA Party affiliated people show 60% Rep, & 40% Dems & Independants. A lot of those upset with the TEA Party have the I don't care if were going bankrupt was long as I get my check mentality. The MSM did a great job of not vetting Obama while demonizing Palin, who had more expierience than Obama did @ the time. Yeah, Palin obviously wasn't dialed in on national politics & other things, but today people can't seperate what Palin said vs Tina Fey's quips. Here in Fla. TEA Party backed Rick Scott got elected despite serious concerns over his time as head of HCA/Columbia Corp. Funny how fiscal responcibility is now considered by some, @ least, to be "extreme", Business as usual will see us in a situation like Greece & other Nations who skidded too far down the Nanny State path.

Which polls are you referring to? Can I see the source 40% Democrat? I havent met a single Democrat who was even remotely enchanted by the TP. Nor have a met a single Democrat politican the TP has endorsed, which is practically impossible with a supposed 40% makeup.

The teaparty is overwhelming white, conservative/libratarian, republican and evangelical.

Lets call a spade a spade, the TP is nothing but a group of dissatisfied Republicans supported by conservative thinktanks and institutions.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_522336.html (POLL IS FROM THE WINSTON GROUP, A CONSERVATIVE THINK TANK)

Sixty-five percent of Tea Party respondents called themselves "conservative" compared to the 33 percent of all respondents who did the same. Just eight percent of Tea Party respondents said they were "liberal."


Forty-seven percent of Tea Party respondents said that Fox News was either the top or second source of news they turn to, compared with 19 percent of the overall public who said the same thing.

More than 80 percent (81 percent) of Tea Party respondents expressed very little approval of Barack Obama's job as president, which exceeded disapproval levels held even by Republicans (77%) and conservatives (79%).

All these data points suggest that the Tea Party crowd is comprised predominantly of conservatives. And, not surprisingly, the demographics of the movement seemingly align with those who traditionally vote for the conservative candidate as well. Fifty-six percent of Tea Party respondents are male; 22 percent are over the age of 65 (compared with just 14 percent who are between the ages of 18 and 34); and 23 percent fall in the income range of $50,000 and $75,000.

The MSM did a good job demonizing Palin? Really? lets listen to Sarah in her own words:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npUMUASwaec"]Palin: Bailout is about healthcare! - YouTube[/ame]


The MSM doesnt get the blame on this one, its Sarah that Demonized herself.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

Which polls are you referring to? Can I see the source 40% Democrat? I havent met a single Democrat who was even remotely enchanted by the TP. Nor have a met a single Democrat politican the TP has endorsed, which is practically impossible with a supposed 40% makeup.

The teaparty is overwhelming white, conservative/libratarian, republican and evangelical.

Lets call a spade a spade, the TP is nothing but a group of dissatisfied Republicans supported by conservative thinktanks and institutions.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_522336.html (POLL IS FROM THE WINSTON GROUP, A CONSERVATIVE THINK TANK)

Sixty-five percent of Tea Party respondents called themselves "conservative" compared to the 33 percent of all respondents who did the same. Just eight percent of Tea Party respondents said they were "liberal."


Forty-seven percent of Tea Party respondents said that Fox News was either the top or second source of news they turn to, compared with 19 percent of the overall public who said the same thing.

More than 80 percent (81 percent) of Tea Party respondents expressed very little approval of Barack Obama's job as president, which exceeded disapproval levels held even by Republicans (77%) and conservatives (79%).

All these data points suggest that the Tea Party crowd is comprised predominantly of conservatives. And, not surprisingly, the demographics of the movement seemingly align with those who traditionally vote for the conservative candidate as well. Fifty-six percent of Tea Party respondents are male; 22 percent are over the age of 65 (compared with just 14 percent who are between the ages of 18 and 34); and 23 percent fall in the income range of $50,000 and $75,000.

The MSM did a good job demonizing Palin? Really? lets listen to Sarah in her own words:

Palin: Bailout is about healthcare! - YouTube


The MSM doesnt get the blame on this one, its Sarah that Demonized herself.

Linky There are Conservative Ind & Dems, espicially in the south.

It doesn't say 40% of Democrats, it says Democrats AND independents. It doesn't seperate the two which is misleading.

Since The poll doesn't differentiate at all, I'll wager anything this 40% is mostly likely made up of Libertarians, with Conservative Democrats and other Independents and making up the tiny difference. I know conservative Democrats, they have far more in common with the mainstream DNC than they do with the TP. There are very few conservative Democrats in the Democratic party and even fewer in the Tea Party.

The other thing is that this article is a year and a half old, and I would wager anything that number is now obsolete. Alot has changed since 2010, and the Tea party isn't as popular now as it was then.

Logic dictates this cannot be right George, because if it was the TP would have won every race in 2010, they did well in the House (but know are at risk of losing the house) but all the TP senate candidates lost except for 1.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

It doesn't say 40% of Democrats, it says Democrats AND independents. It doesn't seperate the two which is misleading.

Since The poll doesn't differentiate at all, I'll wager anything this 40% is mostly likely made up of Libertarians, with Conservative Democrats and other Independents and making up the tiny difference. I know conservative Democrats, they have far more in common with the mainstream DNC than they do with the TP. There are very few conservative Democrats in the Democratic party and even fewer in the Tea Party.

I said 40% Dems & Ind. There are a lot of Conservative Dems in many places around outside the Liberal areas. One big reason the Dems regained controll of Congress in '06 was a lot of people were upset with Bush II & the big govt Reps that were with him & voted for Dems who were running in many races to the right of incumbent Reps. People forget that voting for Conservative Dems empowers Libs like Pelosi, Read, Frank & Shumer.