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May 14th, 2006
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Topic: Subject: GUN CONTROL
Whether you agree or not, it's an interesting lesson in history. Something to think about... In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ----------------------------------------------- In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ----------------------------------------------- Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. ----------------------------------------------- China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------------------------ Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ----------------------------------------------- Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ----------------------------------------------- Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------------------------ Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. ------------------------------------------------ It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!) While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in "successfully ridding Australiansociety of guns." The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. You won't see this data on the American evening news or hear our president, governors or other politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note my fellow Americans.....before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are citizens. Without them, we are subjects. If you value your freedom, Please spread this antigun control message to all of your friends." I got this as an email and have no way of verifying it. Perhaps some of our Australian posters can help with the dates and stats from their country. But it IS food for thought! Good Hunting, Andy Cooper |
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May 14th, 2006
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"Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million."
That's really stretching it, though I do agree with the overall message. I wanna keep my guns! 
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May 14th, 2006
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Hell, without guns, we Americans wouldnt be speaking in Southern Drawls, we would be speaking in an English accent. We may not have these computers, or these white teeth(no offence to the Brits of the forum...just a joke), we may not have any of this. We would be flying a British flag. Americans forget that we had guns and the fact that we had them gave us the ability to overthrow kings government here and become an independent nation, which in turn enabled us to become one, if not the only, superpower of the natural world...The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they gave us the right to keep and bear arms. They knew that if the government got too oppressive, we could unite, band together, and with our guns, overthrow the aformentioned government and start anew. Thanks to the FF for givin me that right. And screw anyone who wants to take my rights away.
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May 15th, 2006
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Oh come on Luis! What are you saying? If the German population had guns, they wouldn't have had the need to sent the Jews to camps. They would have been massacred there and then in the streets! To link gun control to mass murder is quite far fetched. We have gun control in Holland and have never exterminated any (ethnic) minorty in our days. We did however killed quite a few Catholics in the 16th century, but we did have no gun control law then...
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May 15th, 2006
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They would not have been killed in the streets by the Germans. They sent them to the camps so they wouldn't have to personally deal with the nasty business of ending another's life. It is an absolute fact that in Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia post WWII the Soviet forces first had the locals register their weapons, then confiscated them and then announced that these fine republics were now part of the Soviet Empire. An unarmed populace has no defense against the tyranny of the state. Geo. Washington said it himself that if you are unprepared to fight a war you cannot have real peace. I say the same applies to the rights of the individual. Were it not for the second amendment I am quite sure we would have gone down the same path as the Europeans and the Australians. "Where the people fear the government there is tyranny and where the government fears the people there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
Here's some further food for thought... http://www.gunowners.org/fs9402.htm |
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Responsibility or political ideology is not the key issue here. The key issue here is neighborhood protection. The more firearms obtained by individuals in the streets, the more closer the country edges towards a higher homicidal rate involving firearms. I do not care whether citizens are law-abiding. They may respect the law today, but tomorrow they could become criminals. National Defense should be handled in the hands of professional soldiers or law enforcement officials, not petty militias or gangs who can make a profit by forming a protection racketeering business in poor inner-city urban areas. Whenever there is firearms, there are always gang wars. Or even perhaps worst, sectarian violence, insurgencies, or national rebellions. A good example of a country that has no restrictions at all is Iraq. The Admendment for freedom to firearms is unnecessary since other rights in the Constitution exists. There is only one dominant protection racketeering firm in the US and that is the US Military itself. People pay taxes and they should recieve reliable security in return. If not....their government is a failure. State exists because they offer the first service to the public: security |
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May 15th, 2006
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Gangs do not purchase firearms legally, so there is some flaw to your argument.
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May 15th, 2006
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If firearms are purchased illegally, the Government should respond appropriately to protect its citizens. But if their security is not guaranteed by the state, then whats the point of paying taxes? If no guarantee exists, then that Government becomes a corrupt organization who squander the wallets of law-abiding citizens.
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