Stolen valor / valour ( Walts )

This has little to do with "Valour".

The world is full of wankers,.... you may as well get used to it. If he has broken the law, report it to the relevant authorities and move on. He's just another sad little man.

The people on these web sites who live in the past and claim "valour" for just doing what they volunteered to do, are damn near as pathetic as those who they chase.

FFS get on with life!
 
In a way it's flattering.
How many other lines of work have regular fakes?

I didn't serve to be flattered.

Lie about what you did, and I WILL find out about it and I WILL plaster your name in every venue I possibly can to disgrace you for the worthless sack of oxygen thief your daddy didn't have enough sense to beat out of you that you are.

Not YOU, Dale! "You" is generic.

No remorse, no sympathy, and no quarter.
 
Well whatever the case. When people bragged about their jobs etc., I would say "a lot of people pretend to be me, no one pretends to be you." People making money I could never hope to earn got jealous.
 
I didn't serve to be flattered.

Lie about what you did, and I WILL find out about it and I WILL plaster your name in every venue I possibly can to disgrace you for the worthless sack of oxygen thief your daddy didn't have enough sense to beat out of you that you are.

Not YOU, Dale! "You" is generic.

No remorse, no sympathy, and no quarter.
Personally i have more to do with my life. there's no "Valour" in having been a serviceman, and that is what he is claiming.

The only ones who can claim that, sadly,.. are dead, and this idiot's not one of them. Life goes on, we must stop living in the reflected glory of those who paid the supreme sacrifice otherwise we are nearly as bad as the pretenders.
 
Personally i have more to do with my life. there's no "Valour" in having been a serviceman, and that is what he is claiming.

The only ones who can claim that, sadly,.. are dead, and this idiot's not one of them. Life goes on, we must stop living in the reflected glory of those who paid the supreme sacrifice otherwise we are nearly as bad as the pretenders.

I have better things to do, as well.

But everyone needs a hobby to enjoy ;)
 
Ain't that the truth Spike? I'm still here and I have plenty of opportunities left to screw up.

Just saying, just as fake doctors, fake cops and fake whatevers should be exposed, so should fake "ex-Special Forces" people. They can in turn get contracts to train people who will be facing dangerous situations and if armed with fake training, lives can be lost.
 
Well, I think con artists should be exposed.

:sorry: our different time Zones hamper my early reply :roll:
He is still being worked on :thumb: But this guy has has over the last 30 odd years built an internationally acclaimed security company called the International bodyguard association ( IBA ) based on his lies. http://www.ibabodyguards.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=26 There are questions being asked as to why the law has not yet dealt with him. He is known to have bluffed members of Whitehall One of who was suspended because of it. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/article2183915.ece

There are also investigations (private) regarding suspicions of involvement in training suspected members of terrorist organisations including a connection with an incident involving Deal Barracks in the UK. (IRA)http://billowrights.blogspot.com/2009/05/deal-barracks-iba-and-ileta.html
Yet, still he has not been brought in !?? :bang:

Oh; He claims to have been involved with and trained members of the CIA as well :lol: ( As seen in their link above )

More info here http://wapedia.mobi/en/James_Shortt

If there are any investigator types on here please feel free dig up what you can. :smile: ( That includes journalists BTW )

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/19/world/europe/19wootton.html?_r=1&em
 
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What I don't understand is why people insist on lying about what they did in uniform. I was a grunt. But my missions relied on staff weenies, cooks, engineers, and a host of others to be accomplished. If you were a finance officer, why try and pretend to be Infantry? My family needs money when I am doing my job, so be proud that you served in that capacity. Without you, my mind is on the plight of my family and not on my mission, which could get our people killed. You are every bit as important as I am, just as I, a leg, is every bit as important as the SOF soldier.

We serve our country, not ourselves. When we exaggerate our roles, we dishonor ourselves and blacken and cheapen our service to nation, turning it into service for self. As Toby Keith opines, "I don't do it for the glory, I just do it anyway" (American Soldier, Universal Music Group).

If you feel the need to be glorified for what you did, then you did it for the wrong reasons. It doesn't mean I don't appreciate what you DID do. But how CAN I appreciate what you did if I don't know because you're lying about it?

I don't care what you did in the military. If you did nothing but scrub decks or push a pencil in the Coast Guard, I thank you for your service. You were an honorable addition to our nation's security. No less and no more important than me or anyone.

From that same Toby Keith song: "Beside my brothers and my sisters, I will proudly take a stand." Notice he says "beside" and not above or below. A brother or sister in arms is... a brother or sister in arms.

Is there elitism? Yes. I'm just a "leg" to SOF guys. They do the "real" job. And I have said the same as Infantry to some REMF ("STFU until you're on the line with us doing the REAL job!"). But the truth is that no one person's role is more or less important to the mission as another's.

Why we served isn't an "us" thing. It is a U.S. (United States) thing. If you want to be personally worshipped, Hollywood has openings. The military has never been about individuality, and it never will be - or should be.

Be proud that you served, and never, ever be ashamed that you did serve. And don't ever feel ashamed of what you did. You were a cog in the machine, just like the rest of us. There is no need to make some civilian saucer-eyed with visions of your personal conquests. Maybe you think you didn't really do much and you feel a little cheap because of that. Well, you are NOT cheap. You SERVED. The only thing that cheapens your service is when you are untruthful about it.
 
I think you speak for most of us which is why we are bringing Shortt to book.
THIS IS FROM ONE OF YOUR PAPERS http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/19/world/europe/19wootton.html?_r=1&em

Oddly enough Wooton Basset is also a sub address of the IBA!

I cannot access the link you provided, as they require an account. I will not register for an account to the NYT. Is there another source you could provide that does not demand that I sign up and release personal information just to view it?
 
The NYT is random. I have seen this countless times before. Many times I could access an article while others could not. It is how they get information on readers.

It is for this PARTICULAR article that I personally cannot access it.

That's why you NEVER post a link without copying the entire article into your post. It's also a security issue: I can hotlink anything and, by changing one letter, defer you to a gay porn site.

The hot link is VERIFICATION for those that choose to do so. It should never be the body of your post. Quote the article, not the source. Then quote the source of the in-post quote.

Typical Internet etiquette, folks. Get with the program.
 
The NYT is random. I have seen this countless times before. Many times I could access an article while others could not. It is how they get information on readers.

It is for this PARTICULAR article that I personally cannot access it.

That's why you NEVER post a link without copying the entire article into your post. It's also a security issue: I can hotlink anything and, by changing one letter, defer you to a gay porn site.

The hot link is VERIFICATION for those that choose to do so. It should never be the body of your post. Quote the article, not the source. Then quote the source of the in-post quote.

Typical Internet etiquette, folks. Get with the program.

Over here we try to conserve the band width but as they say " When in Rome "

Wootton Bassett Journal
An Impromptu Farewell Becomes Britain’s Salute

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Soldiers’ hearses, en route from the Lyneham Royal Air Force Base to a hospital morgue in Oxford, slowly made their way down the main street in Wootton Bassett in March.





By SARAH LYALL
Published: May 18, 2009
WOOTTON BASSETT, England — It started two years ago, the first time a military hearse carrying the body of a slain British soldier drove through town. An elderly man stood silent and alone by the side of the road, saluting as the coffin went by.
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Later in the month, veterans saluted a cortege on the street as church bells rang.

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The Lyneham Royal Air Force Base is near Wootton Bassett.



“It was a shocking, heart-wrenching experience,” said Sarah Dunn, who is 36 and works at a real estate office here. “Seeing the sight of the coffin actually go past, and seeing the gentleman out there.”
No one ever really discussed it. But the next time a soldier’s hearse drove by on its way from Lyneham Royal Air Force Base to a hospital morgue in Oxford, Miss Dunn, her co-workers and most of the shopkeepers along the street quietly went outside and showed their respect by lining up to watch it pass, too.
They have done it dozens of times since then, part of a growing crowd that now includes local residents, military veterans and others from across the country.
Britain withdrew from Iraq at the end of April, but it still has 8,300 troops in Afghanistan, waging a war few people understand and fewer still support.
The impromptu commemorations in this Wiltshire market town have provided a poignant reminder that, however unpopular and quixotic their mission, soldiers are still fighting, and still dying, for Britain.
Earlier casualties of war were flown to a different air base. Lyneham became the primary site for casualties in 2007, when the hearses began coming through Wootton Bassett.
“I think a lot of other parts of the country aren’t really aware of the war,” said Carol Lacey, who works at a stationery store on the main street.
“They see it on the news or the papers. It’s when you see them actually go past, and you see there are people in those coffins, that it makes you think. It makes you think of their families and the people who are still over there.”
Last Wednesday, the latest coffins came through, four of them, carrying the casualties from attacks the previous Thursday in Helmand Province, Afghanistan. That made 158 dead in all from Afghanistan.
The day was drizzly, dark gray and unseasonably cold, but there were hundreds of people lining the road.
A group of veterans — neat in their uniforms, resplendent with medals — arrived in the morning and took their places near the town’s memorial to the dead from World Wars I and II.
“This is the hub of respect for these soldiers, and we’d like it to spread across the country,” said Ken Fuller, 78, who served as an army paratrooper from 1950 to 1963 and who arrived, head-to-toe in leather, on his motorcycle.
When a soldier is killed and a repatriation, as the return of the body is called, is scheduled, the local branch of the Royal British Legion notifies a list of people it has drawn up. A sign goes up in the town offices.
But that is the extent of it. “There is no ‘You must do this, or you have to stand there,’ ” Anne Bevis, treasurer of the legion’s local branch, said. “We have refrained from the word ‘organization’ because we want it to be impromptu. It’s appropriate for anyone to come along without feeling that they’re intruding.”
Wootton Bassett has become famous for its response to the hearses in a country that seems at times to wish the whole thing would just go away.
At one point, someone proposed renaming the main street “Highway of Heroes” to make it official. The townspeople balked, saying that they were just doing what any decent people would do and that they didn’t want to draw attention to themselves.
Miss Dunn, the real estate agent, said: “It’s a ridiculous idea, because it takes the emphasis off of the soldiers. They’re the ones who are remarkable, not us.”
Pat Mackie, who is 60 and owns a gift shop in town, said “people are doing it unconditionally, not for any other reason.”
One repatriation took place during a bell-ringing practice at the church, and the sound seemed so fitting that now the bells are rung whenever a new hearse reaches the edge of town.
That is what happened at 2:45 p.m. last Wednesday, the four hearses slowly making their way down the main street, the church bells tolling, the huge crowd — shoppers and businessmen and family members of the soldiers and members of the military — lining the street, still and silent.
The hearses carried the coffins of Cpl. Kumar Pun, 31; Sgt. Ben Ross, 34; Rifleman Adrian Sheldon, 25; and Cpl. Sean Binnie, 22.
They halted in front of the war memorial, and the members of the military saluted. A young woman in a row of military police officers, wearing fatigues and a beret, stood tall and immobile as tears poured down her face.
It was only when everyone started moving and talking again, returning to their normal lives, that you realized how extraordinary the silence had been, as if someone had paused a movie and then pressed “play.”
George Brooks, 61, who had served in the Royal Air Force and had traveled down from Bristol, as he always does for repatriations, said that when battalions came home from war they were welcomed and given parades.
“But these lads have nothing,” he said. “This is their parade.”
 
If you were a finance officer, why try and pretend to be Infantry?

Because when people tell people they were/are in the army their thoughts automatically go to thinking they were combat soldiers. They may feel emasculated saying they were a finance officer or a cook, I would.
 
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