Spetsnaz Red Beret test pics - Page 2

January 3rd, 2005  
Originally Posted by AussieNick
"Hard on the training ground, easy on the battle ground".- anonymous Russian Officer.
Sounds like a pretty common quote. "Train hard, fight easy"... or it's often used by sports coaches "train hard, play easy"
I think it is more in the intuitive or common sense category. If you want to be a marathon runner, don't train by running around the block. etc..etc..!
January 3rd, 2005  
The only problem with the website http://www.spetsnaz.com.br/intro.htm is the small font at the bottom that says "Some of the information in this web site was based on the book : Viktor Suvorov - Spetsnaz. The Story Behind the Soviet SAS. - Hamish Hamilton Ltd, 1987." Keyword is 1987, some info is outdated and partially inaccurate although otherwise a good source. A better one is http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Russia/
January 3rd, 2005  
tnx for the link ,it helped a lot so anyhow,will there be one composite unit or will they stay separated?
January 3rd, 2005  
I'm not entirely sure on this, but there is talk of maintaining separation.
January 4th, 2005  
I remember when I was stationed in W. Germany that we had Spetsnaz as a high priority watch when we were on the trace. As a 18 year old soldier, it made me nervous.
January 5th, 2005  
Wow, I have to tell someone that the crash helmet was useless even for the handgun's bullet.
January 6th, 2005  
Best SpetzNaz source I have found, all questions are pretty much answered here: http://www.airpower.au.af.mil/airchr...-dec/boyd.html
January 6th, 2005  
There are different sorts of SpetsNaz camoflage. I remembered at least one, Woodland SpetsNaz camoflage. Well there are plenty I don't remember.
January 7th, 2005  
At the beginning word Spetsnaz was connected ONLY to Army GRU units - the special units that DO a very special task - infiltrating enemy positions in order to:

1) Make special reconnaissance in hinterland (up to 1000km)

2) Annihilate enemy strategical objects (from HQs to mobile nuclear rocket launchers)

3) Seizure of enemy weapon prototypes

4) Capturing enemy commanders and any person of interest

Born in 1950, they were discovered by NATO only in 70'th.

Till the last times all the documents, even the most miserable, containing abbreviation "SpN" (=Spetsnaz) wore the "Top Secret" sign.

After the fall of USSR, some data regarding Spetsnaz were declassified, which make it possible for others to "steal" it.

That's why there are so many confusion, espacially in foreign sources, with this term.

With great respect for the other brothers in arms, Spetsnaz GRU is the meanest, toughest, and most elite.

Originally Posted by Snauhi
It exist 3 type of Spets organizations, FSB(Team Alpha, Vympel,Vitaz) its all those hostage rescue units.
"A" and "V" units are combined in FSB Special Operations Center, 8 October, 1998.

The Center was formed on base of "A" and "V" FSB directorates. Bone structures were added like headquarters, personnel department, secretariat, financial and economic department, internal security department and support departmets. So, SOC consists of "A" Department (group Alpha), "V" Department (group Vympel) and Special Operations Service.

"A" group is the strict anti-terrorist (or counter-terrorist) unit - they everyday responsibility is neutralization of terrorist groups seizuring any air, sea, or land object (transport, buildings, etc).

"V" group is a different matter - it's not so simple at all - during the peace-time period they everyday responsibility is neutralization of terrorist groups on nuclear objects like APPs (I do remember even such unique traing operation as seizure of atomic-powered icebreaker in open waters). Still, during prewar and war period they action as pure commando unit and they task is reversing - they should capture and destroy special objects like nuclear reactors, ICBM siloes, etc. In other words, they got an object, they get in, nobody but them get out.

In Soviet time they actually could perform any mission - intelligence, sabotage, you name - they do it. They training (two-three languages, few higher educations, marine, airborne, mountain, fire, explosive, knowledge of every weapon, vehicle, country and other) was the best in the world. Indeed they get through all this reforming, and re-reforming, and re-re-reforming, and re-re-re...reforming cr@p in ninetieth' with heavy losses, when Vympel lost operative and analytical departmets staff, when it was decided to place group under MVD command and a lot of professionals simply wrote a discharge reports.

During this period the group is reborn.

"Vitiaz" is an MVD unit, the Red Berets you saw on this pictures.

MVD(Interior troops) this is the regular Spetsnaz units. That fight in Chechenya.
As well as others.

The mess with Spetsnaz word was mentioned above.

Here is a very good web page about Spetnaz GRU
Very porr actually.