Soldier's Account of the War in Iraq - Page 2




 
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February 11th, 2005  
gladius
 
That was something else, all I can say is God bless those guys over there.

I'm glad we have the guys from over there tell it like it reallly is, instead of having to rely completely on the media and their "news" about what's going on over with our troops.
February 11th, 2005  
Whispering Death
 
 
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Originally Posted by gladius
That was something else, all I can say is God bless those guys over there.

I'm glad we have the guys from over there tell it like it reallly is, instead of having to rely completely on the media and their "news" about what's going on over with our troops.
Oh no, don't believe the troops what do they know? It's a quagmire, it's the next vietnam, it's Bush's war, we're losing, they don't want us there, we can't win.

We need an emoticon for puking on the media.
Media
February 11th, 2005  
Jim Goose
 
I think I speak for all men that war is a highly attractive prospect in the respect that there's nothing more thrilling in life than destroying the life of a human being who directly threatens your own and there is nothing more devastating than destroying the life of a human being by accident thinking they threatned you.

I think that's why the soldier says he likes the place strangely, he likes the sheer thrill, the adernaline rush, but he justifies mentally by assuming that he's doing the Iraqi people a service which can be questioned to no end.

It's a double edged sword for most soldiers regardless of nation, unless your the guy in that video where you go "Oh dude!" after you wiped out a group of people from 50,000 feet, then you're just messed up.

But what troubles me most about this war is that it is not a war in defense of the United States, it is instead a war of agression to secure future oil to maintain America's standard of living, guised as a war of defense.

But the universe has a neat way of balancing things out in the end...
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February 11th, 2005  
Big_Z
 
 
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Originally Posted by Jim Goose
I think I speak for all men that war is a highly attractive prospect in the respect that there's nothing more thrilling in life than destroying the life of a human being who directly threatens your own and there is nothing more devastating than destroying the life of a human being by accident thinking they threatned you.

I think that's why the soldier says he likes the place strangely, he likes the sheer thrill, the adernaline rush, but he justifies mentally by assuming that he's doing the Iraqi people a service which can be questioned to no end.

It's a double edged sword for most soldiers regardless of nation, unless your the guy in that video where you go "Oh dude!" after you wiped out a group of people from 50,000 feet, then you're just messed up.

But what troubles me most about this war is that it is not a war in defense of the United States, it is instead a war of agression to secure future oil to maintain America's standard of living, guised as a war of defense.

But the universe has a neat way of balancing things out in the end...
Got a source for that? Better yet, do you even have a clue what your talking about? Yea we are there for their oil but our gas prices have sky rocketed since we invaded. Perhaps your confusing the US with France, Russia, or Germany with their "Oil for food" program..
February 11th, 2005  
Jim Goose
 
If you want me to get ahold of neo-conservative plans for world domination, I can't do that, but I believe it wouldn't be too hard to find some plans that have been published publicly

i'm going by the sometimes supressed history of US foreign involvement that seems to suggest that they like oil very much.

Like the CIA/british toppling of a publicly elected socialist leaning Iranian president in the 50s who vowed to kick out imperiliast oil companies and consolidate Iranian oil for Iranians, and then installing a monarchy that finally resulted in a student backed revolt.

Like giving Iraqis vital intelligence and satellite imagery during the iran-iraq conflict and strategically positioning fleets to protect outbound Iraqi oil shipments.

Like Donald Rumsfield shaking hands with Sadam during that same conflict in the 80s;



I just find it hard to believe that everyday Joe/Jim American really cares much about the plight of the Iraqi people than they do their S.U.V.

Ofcourse it would be very hard to find documents that say "We invaded Iraq for oil" for obvious reasons, but judging by history i think it's a safe assumption that America's dependance on oil is very high and as such would be a high priority, and as a priority it can only grow as China increases its oil demands.

Alternative energy sources can go only so far to fulfill the needs of suburban america.

Sure, oil prices are "high" right now, but in the big picture in a few decades, they'll be no where near as high as they would be if Iraq wasn't invaded and shipping oil directly to the US. It's basically get the dirty work done now instead of later when you would have to contend with a bigger stronger China.
February 11th, 2005  
Rotty261
 
 
I disagree with so many of your views and points Jim Goose that I do not know where to start.

I guess oil is the reason you believe that we are in Iraq. Sure getting Iraq to export oil to the US will help the citizens of the US, I will not deny that. However, I am here in Iraq now and do you have any idea how often the pipelines are attacked and the flow of oil is stopped for days and sometimes weeks? If we were here only for the oil don't you think that we would be guarding the pipelines and movement methods better? The soldiers are not watching the oil to ensure that America gets a share of it, they are out in the streets, building schools, hospitals, power plants, water purification plants, and delivering food, clothes, and heaters to those that have none of those items. Then on their way to deliver these items or build these facilities they get hit with RPG's, SAF, Ides, and car bombs. Do you really think that we would go through all of this to just give the perception we are trying to rebuild a nation if all we wanted was the oil?

My suggestion would be to do some research into the 'Oil for Food' program and see who the money/oil hungry nations are. What resources do those nations have in the rebuilding of Iraq. How much money on average will each country make from that program?

I absolutely despise the fact that people will not look at what is actually happening in this country. I will stand behind my belief that we are not here for oil. Maybe that is only because I am here and can see a lot of the truth.
February 11th, 2005  
Jim Goose
 
I think what you're doing as a soldier on the ground is admirable, you are risking your life trying to better the lives of strangers.


There's no doubt you guys are trying to win the hearts and minds of the public because doing that means a stable Iraq that can govern and secure itself and it also means you guys can go home.

But at the same time, the reasons of your gov't for sending you there are questionable to me.

What I'm trying to figure out is why else the US administration decided to invade Iraq and I can't come up with a better answer than securing middle eastern interests and oil supplies for many years to come. You don't just devote that many billions of dollars to occupying a country unless it ends up paying off at some point. Let alone devoting the lives of so many soldiers to suspected reports of WMDs. Nations also don't invade another country to remove a dictator so you can bring freedom and prosperity to people.

If the people of Iraq is what Bush and the neo-cons really think about before they sleep, maybe his dad wouldn't have left the Shiites and Kurd rebels with ak47s to meet Iraqi gunships after the first gulf war. Or maybe the US would have just finished the job then and there.

If the US administration truely believed in freedom and prosperity for the disenfranchised, Rwanda wouldn't have happened and the US wouldn't have left Somalia after losing a few marines. Hell, there are a lot more nations in Africa that could use America's help than Iraq. It's my opinion that Iraq is part of a long term plan layed out by the US administration to finally solidify their interests in the middle east for generations to come.

But hell, I could be wrong, because the Iraqi shiites are going to take control at the present rate and they have close ties to the Iranian shiites who control the theocracy there, so it still doesn't make sense. oh well
February 11th, 2005  
Rotty261
 
 
I should have been more clear, I appologize, I am not soldier. I am no longer in the military but am serving in the civilian sector. I do however see what is going on here that is why I have such strong feelings for the troops on the ground. Nothing is worse for them than not having the support of the people they are fighting for, but more importantly the people of their own country. Service members need to have a just cause to fight so hard and I believe underneath all of the oil and media BS we are truly here to rebuild and stabilize this country. Of course their will be benfits down the road, but not just for the US. Every country fighting here will reep the rewards of stabilizing this country and so will the countries that are not helping.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree and let time tell the tale...
February 11th, 2005  
Redleg
 
 
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Originally Posted by Rotty261
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree and let time tell the tale...
Sometimes that's the best thing to do..
I just wish more of our members could read, learn, understand and follow that sentence..
February 11th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
As Jim Goose is an Iranian, Rotty, I wouldn't expect any agreement with you anytime soon.

http://www.military-quotes.com/forum...r=asc&start=45

However, I fully support Redleg's last post. My guns haven't gone silent, but you'll be seeing less FFEs from me.