So you think you aren't a Republican?

Damien435

Damien435

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A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so
many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal
Democrat, and was very much in favor of the distribution of wealth.
She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch
Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures
that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a
Professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil,
selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher
taxes for the rich and the addition of more government welfare
programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her
professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.
He responded by asking how she was doing in school.
Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA,
and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she
was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying,
which left her no time to go out and party like other people she
knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really
have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is you friend Audrey doing?"
She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by, college for her is a
blast. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she
barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus, she's always
invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show
up for classes because she's too hung over."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's
office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your
friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have 3.0 GPAs and
certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPAs."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily
fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for
my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work!
Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I
worked my tail off!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the
Republican Party."
 
Hahahahahahahaha, what a load of poopooh! If this is the ideological background of the Republican Party I wish them good luck! You do know that you can't run a country with this kind of talk alone..... or maybe you can. But that would explain a lot also!
 
Damien435

The context of your parrabel is not in a complete context. I'm going to continue on your story, so that you can see the opposing view. I admit this is a very silly comparision but bear with me, I think you'll understand the point.

Lets say first girl (Sally) came from a family with boatloads of money. Lets say Audrey came from strict poverty. Say Sally with her money got in the best university, with the best teachers, with the best school programs, with a personal tutor, with a 1 to 1 guidence councelor, in short the best of everything. Audrey on the otherhand got stuck in a huge state school on a student loan and partial scholarship. Compared to the top school this school is 3rd rate. Bad programs, inexperianced unmotivated teachers, bad facilities, etc. In short its a poor comparison compared to Sally's school. On top of that Audrey, being that she is learning impaired she couldnt afford and didnt get the same kind of help that Sally did.

And on top of this, the school system is designed in such a way that Audrey childrens will always the same time of education or better, while Audrey's kids will get the short end of the stick. Also keep in mind that for every Sally there are 10 Audreys.

Dont you think its fair that if Sally were to take a tiny bit less (and still have more than anybody) so at least some of the Audreys could do better than being at the gutter. If you say 'yes' then you are agreeing with the democrats.
 
Ted said:
Hahahahahahahaha, what a load of poopooh! If this is the ideological background of the Republican Party I wish them good luck! You do know that you can't run a country with this kind of talk alone..... or maybe you can. But that would explain a lot also!
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Agreed. Being poor doesn't necessarily mean that you're lazy. Partyin all year long and not getting any work done does.
 
But that is exactly the problem Mohmar! She has a 2.0 GPA because she parties..... But what about the people who need 1 or 2 jobs so they acn afford college and need to scrape by? What about the people with a handycap that perform on top of their abilities? What about the people, who because of some healthproblem or mental problem? They are all excluded! Why....... so just to make it a very easy fitting, black and white story. Well hell, if the world was this simple I would have turned Republican a long time ago!
 
Ted said:
Hahahahahahahaha, what a load of poopooh! If this is the ideological background of the Republican Party I wish them good luck! You do know that you can't run a country with this kind of talk alone..... or maybe you can. But that would explain a lot also!
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Have you ever been gainfully employed by a poor person? Neither have any Physicists, MDs, Defense Contractors, College Professors, well you get the idea. A Country becomes rich by relying on those who make money and hire others who make and spend money, keeping a healthy economy growing. Oh, don't choke on that guffaw, your Socialized medical professionals won't be able to treat you for two months.
 
Funny how the "poor" states vote red while the "rich" states vote Blue. There is no reason why the government has to do all the work, if these rich people are so in favor of welfare all they have to do is give it to, oh gosh, what is the name for a group that accepts donations to help the less abled, oh yeah, charity, they could donate money to charity. I am an Independent, if I have to choose between Socialism and voluntarilly aiding the less fortunate I know which I would choose. Of course I am a poor Independent who will never have any money but still does not mind working for a living, instead of taking $100 out of a persons paycheck, giving $80 back and calling it welfare they should just take $20 out of their paycheck, it all works out in the end.

And don't give me this come from a poor family crap. The poortest kid in my graduating class received a full academic scholarship to Washington & Lee University in Virginia, why? Because he worked his ass off all through High School and it paid off. And if these kids with rich parents are getting a 4.0 at some presitigious university then they deserve to be there on a scholarship also, but since their parents can afford to pay they do so some other kid whose parents are less able to pay can get scholarships and grant money. Rich parents don't buy A's, they buy C's.

When you say "huge state colleges" what do you mean? Roughly 10,000 Students? 20,000? 30,000? How about this, the two largest Universities in the US are Arizona State University and University of Minnesota, each with 51,000 students. Neither state can support that large of a university with only state students, which means students are choosing to go there from out of state, they are going there for some reason and I doubt they are going to Minnesota for the lovely weather.
 
Well guys, it looks like we have reached a stalemate... again. It is interesting to see that this discussion floats into a black & white conversation. As I said in my post (at least what I meant to say) is that this X-mas story is only on working hard and not being lazy. Some of you added being socialist (commie to some) or not. I don't like lazy people waiting for a hand out. But is miss the entire scala in between!

You just can't run a country in ready-to-go sound bites; good vs. bad or hard working vs lazy. It is too simple! You'll need more of a program to run it and that is left out..... that's all.

And on a personal note: I don't by that charity bit. Some do it on a voluntary basis but most do it haphazardly or not at all. 45 million people below the poverty norm... I'd be embaressed. Unless they are all lazy, they let them feel their own failure.
 
Damien

You simply cannot pick out 1 example and say its the norm. Many people who work hard dont get scholorships. And as colleges get more and more expensive there are less and less scholorships given out each year.

In upstate NY a graduating class of about 80 maybe 4-5 went to college every year. These kids are children of small farmers, or other low income jobs. I can tell you for a fact that the others didnt go because they didnt want to because many of them did, and instead they got sent to the same dead-end jobs as their parents did.

But the school parabel is a silly example. What about the people who have to take 3 minimum wage jobs and STILL cannot pay all the bills? Do you really think they are lazy as well? In today day and age the Middle class is shrinking, while the lower class is growing. And worse the Gap between the filthy rich and 'have nots' is widening. 35.9 Million Americans (most of which are employed) live below the poverty line, do you honestly think they are all just lazy?

People who get to the top don't do it all by themselves, thats a myth. They get help from banks, investors, the US government and others. Our economic system is set up to promote new business, but this assistence isnt free, and much of it finds its way back to the taxpayer. All democrats ask is that those very few who make it to the very top fairly contribute enough back to give others the same chance. But some people are so greedy that they would rather hide their money overseas protected by $500-$800 an hour lawyers rather than pay their fair share back in taxes.

Slowly but surly the country is drifting into a Oligarchy, or OILigarchy! (ha a pun! :smile:).
 
Slowly but surly the country is drifting into a Oligarchy, or OILigarchy!
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but, it is becoming the norm.
 
Well, I guess I am just an uncaring ******* who feels that if my mom can support two kids, pay for her medicines to treat her Diabetes and MS, deal with a divorce and all this without taking government handouts then others should be able to do the same.

But, as I said, I am in favor of creating more jobs than increasing taxes. But whatever, I am wrong, you are right almighty smiter.
 
Wow, arnt we touchy? I didnt 'smite' you. I just disagreed and showed you my reasons why. If you cannot handle that, Go outside, and catch a breath of fresh air and calm down abit.

I leave you with this thought: A Governments job is to take of its people, not the other way around...

Merry Christmas :santam16:
 
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