Sigh...enviormentalist at it again.

Rabs

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051019/ap_on_sc/sonar_whales

SANTA MONICA, Calif. - Environmentalists sued the Navy on Wednesday, claiming that a widely used form of sonar for detecting enemy submarines disturbs and sometimes kills whales and dolphins.

The sonar "is capable of flooding thousands of square miles of ocean with dangerous levels of noise pollution," according to the lawsuit filed in federal court in Los Angeles.

The Navy settled a similar lawsuit two years ago by agreeing to limit the peacetime use of experimental low-frequency sonar. The new lawsuit, by the Natural Resources Defense Council and other plaintiffs, seeks a court order to curb mid-frequency sonar, the most common method of detecting enemy submarines.

NRDC attorney Joel Reynolds said the group recognizes the Navy's need to detect enemies, and he noted that the lawsuit seeks limits on sonar during training exercises, not in war.

"Our position is that whales shouldn't have to die for practice," he said.

The environmentalists want the Navy to use harmless passive sonar — listening for sounds made by marine mammals themselves — to locate the animals before using mid-frequency sonar. They also want the Navy to avoid migration and calving areas and to turn on sonar systems gradually so that the animals have time to flee.

Navy spokesman Lt. William Marks said the Navy already is doing many of the things demanded in the suit.

The lawsuit blames the Navy for the January stranding and deaths of at least 37 whales on North Carolina's Outer Banks after a mid-frequency sonar exercise. The Navy said the exercise was probably too far away to have harmed the whales.

While there are several decent points in this bogus case, i beleive practice is ment to train for war, therefore the rules should be no diffrent.
 
Sonar disturbing whales? I don't doubt it, seems logical if they work along whale frequencies. And no, i did not read the full story.
 
I say we force our submarines to use active sonar all the time, lets kill off all the dam whales, then they shull up.
 
While there are several decent points in this bogus case, i beleive practice is ment to train for war, therefore the rules should be no diffrent.

So we should use live rounds against each other in training exercises? :roll:

In my opinion, from what i've read, the demands made by the NRDC are completely reasonable and there is no valid reason why the Navy shouldn't follow them. There is little, if any, training value lost. And it helps the environment and thats a good thing.

Down here however, environmentalists have taken away HEAPS of good value training. For instance, there are quite a few training areas around where we arn't even allowed to dig weapon pits anymore. ThAT is stupid.
 
If they wanted to save the animals one would think B-52 carpetbombing kills a HELL of a lot more animals than any crackpot sonar-theory would.
 
If that interferes with the whales, if it hurts them in anyway, I think they should find a way to solve the problem. Yes they are those who defend America, but the whales are American themselves, and they never did any harm to us. Did they?
 
The whales are communist spiesI tell you. Kill them all!

Look, Man is the top of the food chain. Whales aren't, though luck. Flipper's friends are going to have headaches. If defend our waters and training our troops and saliors kill some whales. TOO BAD! A warrior trains for war during peace and fights for peace during war.
 
I like whales.

But but the Navy says they didn't do it, the other guys say they did... maybe if this article had more information I could make a better opinion out of it. So I guess i'll just have to trust the Navy.. I guess.

FREE WILLY!
 
i agree with 5.56X45mm,

NOBODY REALLY CARES IF ONE OR TWO LITTLE WHALES DIES, OR HAS BRAIN DAMAGE, OR GETS A TUMOR BECAUSE OF SONAR.


i mean really, what they're saying is like saying playing music to loud hurts flies.

seriously, if you love whales that much, why dont you just go live with them.


:rambo:
 
5.56X45mm said:
The whales are communist spiesI tell you. Kill them all!

Look, Man is the top of the food chain. Whales aren't, though luck. Flipper's friends are going to have headaches. If defend our waters and training our troops and saliors kill some whales. TOO BAD! A warrior trains for war during peace and fights for peace during war.

Damnit, that is a good :cen: post!
 
^^^

lol, yeh i was reading it at school, and the flipper with headaches part made me lol. Hard to explain to the teacher. (who is a member of greenpeace btw)
 
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