Should new perm members be added to the UN security council?




View Poll Results :Do you think there should be new permanent UN Security Council members?
Yes 8 44.44%
No 3 16.67%
Yes, but without veto powers like the originals 5 27.78%
Yes and also increase the number of 2 year term members to balance it out 2 11.11%
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December 15th, 2004  
WorldWatcher
 
 

Topic: Should new perm members be added to the UN security council?


The current UN permanent Security Council member (also with veto power) are:UK,USA,France,Russia,and China. They accepted after winning wwll. Now in current times do you think we should add more permanent members? The current countries wanting to be permanent members are Germany and Japan . Italy along with the Netherlands wants an EU seat to be a permanent member which can be taken up periodically by an EU country or the EU president. New ideas have been made that the new members would not get veto powers.
December 15th, 2004  
truesight
 
more members UNSC comprises, more inefficient it will be
December 15th, 2004  
Italian Guy
 
 
India and Japan should surely be in.
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December 15th, 2004  
rocco
 
US should cut funding the terrorist supporting/sympathising U.N. and make a second U.N. like body, call it the D.N. (democratic nations) where each member must pay its fair share, and cant use the organisation for its own politcal and economical goals. basically a U.N. without all the dictatorships and with some back bone.
December 15th, 2004  
Italian Guy
 
 
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Originally Posted by rocco
US should cut funding the terrorist supporting/sympathising U.N. and make a second U.N. like body, call it the D.N. (democratic nations) where each member must pay its fair share, and cant use the organisation for its own politcal and economical goals. basically a U.N. without all the dictatorships and with some back bone.
I don't agree. We have a thread on this and that was my post: http://www.military-quotes.com/forum...r=asc&start=30
December 15th, 2004  
westwater
 
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more members UNSC comprises, more inefficient it will be
i dont think so.it is the veto power that make the UN inefficient.UN should abandon this institution.
December 15th, 2004  
SwordFish_13
 
 
Hi,

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Should new perm members be added to the UN security council?
Yes definately ..........Give it some teeth so that i can bite too rather than just a Coffe Club House ...............more represation means more faith in it.................new members in Security Council would mean more Authority of th Counsil as now new Countries have the added responsibility responsibility of looking after the world matters and provide Forces or apply Diplomatic pressure or other means .

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Originally Posted by rocco
US should cut funding the terrorist supporting/sympathising U.N. and make a second U.N. like body, call it the D.N. (democratic nations) where each member must pay its fair share, and cant use the organisation for its own politcal and economical goals. basically a U.N. without all the dictatorships and with some back bone.
US itself Should Cut Funding Countries that harbout terrorists ...........tsk tsk Saudi Arabia and Pakistan tks tks but oo well they are it's alies . and US likes to think they are on the right side ..............US don't Consider them bad............. because they are of staratigic importance to them and ofcource money and business and all..............whats right for you might be wrong for other..........Some other countries Don't have that View they might conseder them harbouring terrorists................clash of interests .......you can't help it ............what is the gurantee new organisation woulfn't have this clash ............UN is just fine i think but there is always room for improvement ....

And on The Question on Veto power what i feel is there are already enough Elitist Coffe Clubs in UN no need to form another ..............NTPC trety makes some counttries feel cheated as it says ones who have nuclear bombs can keep and even produce new ones but no you can't ................this kind of eldist Clubs don't stay for long .............no need to fform one Veto club and one non-Veto club .


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Well to speak of India's bid for UNSC 4 out of the 5 have openely backed it's candidature and there is a surprise China in the list

The good news for India is that from among the current permanent members Russia, France, China and the United Kingdom have all backed india's claim to a permanent seat

Other countries that i believed are eligible for inclusion in the UNSC are Germany, Japan, Brazil and South Africa

Japan Too has baked India's Claim for the Seat
India and Japan agreeing to back each other rather than contest against each other.........that way the chances of both are much better.........India has already got such Agreement of backing form Germany and Brazil other two candidates for the seat.....

Source

Major Factors in india's Bid :
  • India's size ( All kind Population , Economy)
  • one of the Fastest Growing Economy in Asia
  • The need for representation of the developing countries
  • The fact a country that has a capability of contributing to the maintenance of international peace and stability in terms of its overall strength in terms of its political projection and profile
  • Current participation in UN's peace keeping Efforts by sending Peace keeping Forces and other Diplomatic means..............india is one of teh largest Contributor in term of providing Peace keeping Force to UN


Higlighitng some of the Facts pros and cons against others with some Bieas towards india by an indian

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India represents one-sixth of the world population, and the big powers realize that such a large majority cannot go unrepresented in the Security Council.
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With the recent victory of India in the elections for Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) of the United Nations, India now feels that its case for permanent membership of the UN Security Council is strengthened.
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India has clear backing from UK and Germany. President Clinton had made public his support for India as a permanent member. However, the US, aside from verbal assurances, has not yet made any effort towards our inclusion. The good news is that US media and think tanks are pushing India’s case as a strategic partner.

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Here we must take into account that India has been one of the largest contributors to peacekeeping operations all across the world. South Africa on the other hand, has displayed its reluctance to assume regional or global peacekeeping responsibilities, which could turn into a major disadvantage when the relative merits are being weighed.

Sources:

1. China backs India on U.N. Security Council

2. UK supports India's UNSC permanent membership

3. Putin supports India's claim to UNSC seat

4. Japan Support to India's Bid

5. India's Bid a Analysis ::: a bit Bised towards India

6. John Major backs India's claim for UNSC


Peace
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December 15th, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
No the EU should not have a seat. Italy maybe. Germany No. India? Don't think so.
December 15th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Netherlands!?!? BAHAHAHAH!!!
December 15th, 2004  
Italian Guy
 
 
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Originally Posted by 03USMC
No the EU should not have a seat. Italy maybe. Germany No.
Hey thanks man 8)