Originally Posted by Capt Frogman

Probably some bulls**t about being allowed to defend themselves.

Seems logical and I am sure the NRA will back it, after all they stand to make money from it and I am sure turning a profit is a constitutional thing as well.


One interesting article...


Forget the weekly shootings they appear to be trying for one a day, it would appear you are safer in a war zone than the USA.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-gun-violence


So I will back Brinktk on this one, I am happy for you to take your chances on "that side of the pond" because we really dont want this on our side of all the other ponds.

Originally Posted by MontyB

One interesting article...


Forget the weekly shootings they appear to be trying for one a day, it would appear you are safer in a war zone than the USA.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-gun-violence


So I will back Brinktk on this one, I am happy for you to take your chances on "that side of the pond" because we really dont want this on our side of all the other ponds.

But....but....but....they need to defend themselves from a tyrannical government, burglars and whatever else is going to take away their liberties and freedoms.

Thankfully we're too well educated over this side of the pond to ever have this crap on our doorstep.

Originally Posted by Capt Frogman

But....but....but....they need to defend themselves from a tyrannical government, burglars and whatever else is going to take away their liberties and freedoms.

Thankfully we're too well educated over this side of the pond to ever have this crap on our doorstep.

Are you saying we aren't free in Europe. We have the freedom of not being killed while we are at schools and shopping malls, how dare we to questioning the 2nd Amendment of the Bills of Rights? We arm everybody and see how safe we are. What I can't wrap my mind around is how you Americans fail to see the correlation between more firearms you get more firearms related crimes you will achieve . A child gets it, but you don't. Oh yes, it's in your Bills of Rights. The Americans have never touched the Amendments before. shall we take a closer look? What about the 18th and they corrected it with the 21st, so the 2nd isn't untouchable. Although, we might get a government that turns evil toward us, it might begin to what we are doing on the Internet, who are talking to, and what forums are on. God forbid, they cannot do that. It's violation of the 1st A, especially if we say something that contradict the current policies of the US administration. Shall we ask Edward Snowden about what your government does? Nonetheless, we can do whatever but we can not change what's evidently wrong, so we just keep going and hoping for the best.

Originally Posted by Capt Frogman

Another US shooting being reported: https://news.sky.com/story/several-d...he-us-11420269

So George, I guess journalists will now need to arm themselves? In fact, why doesn't everyone just arm themselves. Oh hang on.....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...dge/744287002/ The guy was pissed at the paper & was out for revenge. Being liberals they'll be calling for more restrictions that the obvious need to be able to shoot back. Being limited to sitting on your finger isn't a good option

Originally Posted by MontyB

Can't wait for the first mass shooting in a prison, it will be amusing to hear the justification for arming prisoners.

Lots of shanks confiscated everyday in our prisons.

Originally Posted by MontyB

Seems logical and I am sure the NRA will back it, after all they stand to make money from it and I am sure turning a profit is a constitutional thing as well.

The NRA is about gun safety, marksmanship & defending the people's Rights, The anti-gun types were chipping away at it through out the 60s & most of the early 70s with the NRs constantly giving ground. Fortunately new guys took over & started pushing back.

Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk

Are you saying we aren't free in Europe. We have the freedom of not being killed while we are at schools and shopping malls, how dare we to questioning the 2nd Amendment of the Bills of Rights? We arm everybody and see how safe we are. What I can't wrap my mind around is how you Americans fail to see the correlation between more firearms you get more firearms related crimes you will achieve . A child gets it, but you don't. Oh yes, it's in your Bills of Rights. The Americans have never touched the Amendments before. shall we take a closer look? What about the 18th and they corrected it with the 21st, so the 2nd isn't untouchable. Although, we might get a government that turns evil toward us, it might begin to what we are doing on the Internet, who are talking to, and what forums are on. God forbid, they cannot do that. It's violation of the 1st A, especially if we say something that contradict the current policies of the US administration. Shall we ask Edward Snowden about what your government does? Nonetheless, we can do whatever but we can not change what's evidently wrong, so we just keep going and hoping for the best.

I suspect some of your women would liked to have had a gun while being raped by the Moslems you guys invited in.

Originally Posted by George

The NRA is about gun safety, marksmanship & defending the people's Rights, The anti-gun types were chipping away at it through out the 60s & most of the early 70s with the NRs constantly giving ground. Fortunately new guys took over & started pushing back.

At least you haven't lost your sense of humour, gun safety that's a good one.


The NRA is about making money from convincing gullible and neurotic fools into thinking they need a firearm for protection.

Originally Posted by Capt Frogman

But....but....but....they need to defend themselves from a tyrannical government, burglars and whatever else is going to take away their liberties and freedoms.

Thankfully we're too well educated over this side of the pond to ever have this crap on our doorstep.

But if you are so paranoid that you need to be afraid of everyone including your own elected representatives how many freedoms and liberties do really have?
Still at least they have the freedom to be afraid of every one they meet, after all they could be a gun totting lunatic, best to shoot first.
Which may explain the statistics.

Originally Posted by George

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...dge/744287002/ The guy was pissed at the paper & was out for revenge. Being liberals they'll be calling for more restrictions that the obvious need to be able to shoot back. Being limited to sitting on your finger isn't a good option

So basically you're saying that journalists need to arm themselves in their workplace. Is that the sort of country you're happy to live in?

I get pissed and annoyed with things but I never ever think that I need to go to a workplace and shoot dead innocent people.

Originally Posted by George

I suspect some of your women would liked to have had a gun while being raped by the Moslems you guys invited in.

Rapists are of all colours and religions. Why pick out just one particular religion?

I checked the amount of reported rapes and sexual crimes the US. They are about the same rate as they are here. Isn't that odd? You have all these firearms and still women getting raped and sexually assaulted.

I find the explanations for the gun violence and the solutions to it rather amusing. You are trying to put out a fire with gasoline. It goes from cars can be used as weapons, to beer mugs. You are on a slippery slop. You have changed the Amendments 27 times so your Bills of Rights aren't really written in stones.

I am not sure about anyone else but I am struggling to find a coherant counter argument that isn't "we need more guns" which is about as well thought out as "reducing restrictions on speed and increasing the number of cars on the road will reduce the number of road deaths" so I propose a change of direction rather than just have George respond to every post with "more guns is the way to stop shootings"

The USA is awash with firearms both legal and illegal if you were to change the rules how do do to ensure you aren't just disarming the law abiding populous?

Most of our nation's simply made pistols which were easily concealed harder to get (read as requiring a special license) and then put restrictions on the transport of rifles (had to be unloaded and in a case in public).

Originally Posted by MontyB

The USA is awash with firearms both legal and illegal if you were to change the rules how do do to ensure you aren't just disarming the law abiding populous?

Most of our nation's simply made pistols which were easily concealed harder to get (read as requiring a special license) and then put restrictions on the transport of rifles (had to be unloaded and in a case in public).

I'm not calling for a complete disarmament of firearms from the law abiding populous.

How about a UK type system? Every citizen has to apply for a licence. Each applicant has a criminal/police check and an assessment with a doctor to make sure there are no mental issues? All weapons must be securely locked up when not in use and must be concealed when carried in public. Anyone that doesn't follow this loses their firearms. Anyone caught with a firearm and no licence goes to jail. Anyone that mishands or misuses their firearms loses their licence and goes to jail. There a annual checks to ensure the applicant is still safe to own their firearms.

Other countries manage to control firearms properly. Why can't the US?