The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europe! - Page 68

May 22nd, 2006  
I think i heard about that test, nuclear rainbows or something. Didn't it disrupt communications over much of the pacific and everyone besides the military was WTF?
May 22nd, 2006  
Yes. EMP also disrupts communication over a short period of time.

Originally Posted by Ollie Garchy
That is your opinion. I stand by what I have written. Debate over.
The debate pretty much ended for you when you stopped providing solid evidence and went with lies and false acusations.

Originally Posted by jequirity
Global democracy will never bring about world peace Gladius. You gotta eliminate greed, pride (Including patriotism), anger, sloth, gluttony, envy and vanity before u get world peace. And eliminating these things isn't likely.
If you want to do that then you might as well eliminate the whole human race because those things aren't likely.

As far as global democracy it will reduce wars very significantly. Since when was the last time in recent history that two democracies fought each other in an all out war?

It will be comparbable to Rome bringing about the Pax (Roman Peace), of 200 years of peace, safety, and tranquility within the borders of the empire which was basicly most of Europe, including a good portion of North Africa and Asia Minor, which prior to that saw only constant war.

But thats not even the topic here.

Originally Posted by WNxRogue
Unfortunatly, you proof does not agree:

"During that brief return to atmospheric testing, Starfish Prime, a 1.4 megaton detonation conducted over Johnston Island at an altitude of about 400 kilometers, proved that these effects could have wide-ranging impact on systems. The effects of EMP from the Starfish event were observed in Hawaii, 1,300 kilometers east of the detonation. Street lights and fuses failed on Oahu and telephone service was disrupted on the Island of Kauai."

Lets go at this slowly.

The effects of Starfish Prime was felt 1,300 km east of the detonation point.

That is going only one way---east. What about west?

If it reaches 1,300 km east, then it also reaches 1,300 km west, as well as north and south.

Making the blast radius 2,600 km, not 1,300 as you are so confused by.

If detonated right in the middle 2,600 km will cover most if not a large portion of the US. As was stated in the previous evidence I showed.

The true blast radius of EMP is from horizon to horizon. They only recorded it up to Hawaii, because there was no other civilization close to the area after that to provide anymore data, the EMP could have and most likely went further.

Still, even if only the eastern portion of the USA was hit, NY, Boston, ect, the colateral damage would still be tremendous. Setting the nation back weeks if not months. So whether the whole nation is covered or only part of it, the consequences will be terrible.
May 23rd, 2006  

Bulldogg here with some reading material for those who would like to hear the low down from former followers of Islam. Kinda like hearing about Scientology from someone who has left and tells you all the dirty secrets from the inside. My missus is an Indonesian lawyer and she gets credit for finding the site.

Bon appetite.
May 23rd, 2006  
The distance between San Francisco and New York is 4726km. So a nuke detonated in the center of the US will hit neither of these. It is phyically impossible to detonate a nuke to eliminate both major population centers, the west and east coasts.
May 23rd, 2006  
Hey, y'all get them damn nuclear explosions away from my grandma's old farm. It might be away from your preferred "population centre's" but I got family there damnit!
May 23rd, 2006  
A nuclear blast is like any other pulse of energy. There are concentric circles where the farther from center, the weaker the effects.( Look up Smith Chart.) It's almost impossible to destroy a country with one nuke, I don't care how many mT the yield.
May 23rd, 2006  
We were not talking about direct nuke we were talking about EMP. least that what I hope we were still talking about, unless he got the subject confused again, it seems like it in the wording.

Originally Posted by WNxRogue
The distance between San Francisco and New York is 4726km. So a nuke detonated in the center of the US will hit neither of these. It is phyically impossible to detonate a nuke to eliminate both major population centers, the west and east coasts.
You don't know that.

It is not impossible if both coast are within the horizon line of the blast. Only the curviture of the earth will stop the blast effects.

The true range of EMP is from horizon to horizon from the point elevation of the detonation. Not the range stated in the Starfish detonation, so it may well reach farther than that.

I think the Scientist who was speaking before congress knows more about this that you do, when he testified it can affect both coast.

I hate to say this, but the more you post the more it shows how much you don't know.

Anyways, so what, EMP will still cause considerable damage regardless if it hit all or one part of the country. You cannot argue that EMP will not do this. So who even cares about the range whether its 2,000 km or 5,00km, it will still do considerable damage that will set the country back weeks if not months. You are arguing a point that is moot.
May 24th, 2006  
The root of the problem...,00.html

Know thy enemy... understand Q'tub and you understand the enemy of the west, what he believes, why he believes it and where this is all heading.
May 26th, 2006  
Good post, full of good important info.

This information is the crux of why the Mahdi prophecies are something that people need to be concerned about.

Most all Muslims are NOT terrorist, they will not take up arms againts the West. But a good portion are Fundamentalist. Or lean towards this.

They do not take up arms againts us but they support and strongly symphatize with (wether secretly or not) those that do take up arms. There are even some fundamentalist who oppose the terrorist but they still subcribe to the main Fundamentalist goals.

How widespread is Islamic militancy? According to Tibi, a distinction must be made between “worldview fundamentalists,” who may embrace the hope for Islam’s future supremacy, while rejecting terror—and militant activists or terrorists. In Pakistan for example, Tibi estimates the number of fundamentalists at half the population, but the percentage of those ready to resort to violence is roughly 3-5 percent.

The ultimate goal of the Fundametalist is Islamic world domination.

In his books and interviews, Tibi goes straight to the heart of the matter: “The goal of the Islamic fundamentalists is to abolish the Western, secular world order and replace it with a new Islamist divine order....The goal of the Islamists is a new imperial, absolutist Islamic world power.”

This is why the Mahdi prophecies are of utmost concern. This mentality is exactly the catalyst that will make todays Fundamentalist cross that line of not taking up arms against the West to actively waging war against us when the Mahdi appears. When he does appear they will take up arms to fullfill what they believe is their destiny.

Yet, even if most of modernity is rejected as ungodly, an exception is made for technology and science, such as weapons technology. “Our goal is to learn how to handle modern weapons, how to produce and develop them further, so that we can conquer our enemies,”....

Right now they are splintered with no real central leadership. The coming of the Mahdi will change that and unite them all under one empire.

That's why people need to understand this. Because the Muslim you see at you work or school may more than likely not by any chance be a terrorist. But there is definately a good chance that he may hold Fundamentalist beliefs of Islam someday dominating or taking over the culture he lives in, and believe me he will do his part to make this happen, that if he believes himself to be a good Muslim.

A common theme for Islamists is their desire to close off their world from the Western world. This is behind the demand of Bin Laden and other prominent figures to exclude non-Muslims from the Muslim world. The same self-chosen ghettoization can be found among Islamists in the Muslim-European diaspora, a deeply disturbing trend, observes Tibi.

This is why Europe is in trouble. And this will definately come into play in the future.

Under the cover of religious congregations, the Islamists are invisible to the outside world. In this way “active Islamists are abusing the right to asylum and religious freedom in Europe for their own interests. The logistical center of militant fundamentalists is not in the Middle East or Central Asia, but in Western Europe,” explains Tibi.

Tibi estimates the number of fundamentalists at roughly 100,000 in Germany alone, in a Muslim population of 3.5 million.

If you don't think the Mahdi prophecies will cause a great upheaval in the Muslim world which if fullfilled will more than likely cause a world war, well then guess again because it will. But right now the Fundamentalist are splintered, separated and disunited. The Mahdi is the only missing link to the unification of all fundamentalist factions and populations in the Islamic world therby giving them one unified goal and one unified purpose of trying to fullfill the Mulsim Fundamentalist vision of Islamic world domination.

June 11th, 2006  
Some additional interestion information of significance...

The Caliphate: One nation, under Allah, with 1.5 billion Muslims

By James Brandon

Hizb ut-Tahrir says that Muslims should abolish national boundaries within the Islamic world and return to a single Islamic state, known as "the Caliphate," that would stretch from Indonesia to Morocco and contain more than 1.5 billion people.

"The Caliphate is a rallying point between the radicals and the more moderate Islamists," says Stephen Ulph, a senior fellow at the Jamestown Foundation. "The idea of a government based on the Caliphate has a historical pedigree and Islamic legitimacy that Western systems of government by their very nature do not have."

Hizb ut-Tahrir promises that a revived Caliphate will end corruption and bring prosperity - though the group doesn't say how. It will let Muslims challenge, and ultimately conquer, the West, its followers say.

"The Muslim world has resources like oil but it lacks the leadership that will rule us by Islamic law and make this jihad that the whole world is afraid of," says Shakr, a Jordanian member of the group, who says the success of the Caliphate will also encourage more converts to Islam - eventually making the whole world Islamic.

"Islam obliges Muslims to possess power so that they can intimidate - I would not say terrorize - the enemies of Islam," says Abu Mohammed, a Hizb ut-Tahrir activist. "In the beginning, the Caliphate would strengthen itself internally and it wouldn't initiate jihad."

"But after that we would carry Islam as an intellectual call to all the world," says Abu Mohammed, a pseudonym. "And we will make people bordering the Caliphate believe in Islam. Or if they refuse then we'll ask them to be ruled by Islam."

And after that? Abu Mohammed pauses and fiddles with his Pepsi before replying.

"And if after all discussions and negotiations they still refuse, then the last resort will be a jihad to spread the spirit of Islam and the rule of Islam," he says, smiling. "This is done in the interests of all people to get them out of darkness and into light."

If any of you don't think there is a belief amongst Muslims for an ultimate Islamic unification to rule the world, then guess again. Also read the last part of the article if you don't think the forming of a Caliphate will not mean a world war. The funny thing is they believe they are doing those that they will wage jihad on a favor.

As I had said before the forming of a Caliphate will have a snowball effect on the Muslim world. Any Muslim governments who oppose this will be victims of a coup, internal uprising, or civil war. This will continue until the empire is formed. The Mahdi will be the single person catalyst that will incite this. After which it is done then they will move on to the rest of the world. This is the reason I point out why the Mahdi prophecies are of significance to the future of the entire world.

[ note: I'm no longer going to debate the this issue, almost everything that has been brought up to refute this, has been answered several times over. Before trying to say why this won't work, read the thread, something similar to the statement you wish to put is probably in here and has been answered already.

I am here only to provide information on this from time to time to update this thread. ]