The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europe! - Page 61




 
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May 5th, 2006  
WarMachine
 
 
You guys are still talking about this one!? I haven't posted anything since last summer and i remember this thread going on steadily. What is it that's so damn interesting on this subject?

I doubt Europe is going to be invaded by anyone given that many countries would have to be counquered and the USA would get involve as soon as NATO is threatened. Plus any islamic nation would need tremendous resources to do this should they push ahead with invasion. Even a grand alliance of many muslim states couldn't pull this off, it doesn't make any sense.

If israel could defeat a surprise attack by all of its neighbors in 1973 and come out stronger, then i think Europe will be just fine.
May 5th, 2006  
gladius
 
Yes they can, read the first post thread. You probably missed the part about the EMP somewhere later in this thread, anyone with true understanding of its capabilities will realize this can happen.

Beside if there were no real chance the Muslims can pull this off don't you think this thread would have died by now, yet it lives.
May 5th, 2006  
bulldogg
 
 
They're being invaded from within. There is more than one way to take down your enemy and a smart enemy will use your own weakness against you. In this case they are using the liberal sympathies of the guilt ridden European former colonial powers and their immigration laws. Their failure to assimilate into the mainstream of their chosen new homes is tell tale as to the long term intentions. If you can't beat them, join them and then change them from the inside.
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May 5th, 2006  
WarMachine
 
 
You're all paranoid, this isn't the Star Wars Prequels with the sith taking over the republic. There are no armies of sleeper agents of Islam, if this makes so much sense then where's their central control huh? Antartica?
May 5th, 2006  
bulldogg
 
 
There were many expressing the same sentiments in Europe regarding the Third Reich.
May 5th, 2006  
zander_0633
 
 
But this time, it will be the Fourth Reich
May 5th, 2006  
Ollie Garchy
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gladius
Yes they can, read the first post thread. You probably missed the part about the EMP somewhere later in this thread, anyone with true understanding of its capabilities will realize this can happen.

Beside if there were no real chance the Muslims can pull this off don't you think this thread would have died by now, yet it lives.
"...this likelihood of an event with EMP is unlikely and difficult to achieve".
--Congressional Report

This "EMP Theory" is starting to get on my nerves. So, I took 5 minutes time to google the subject. Most of the military information seems to be classified, however, for rather obvious reasons. The conspiracy theorists will call this subterfuge or deceit. I would argue that it is a waste of time for the non-specialist to predict the impact of an EMP on the basis of a worst case scenario. Here are a few points that I found in Congressional discussions and certain reports by the Department of Homeland Security, Office of Domestic Preparedness (DHS/ODP):

(1) SIGNIFICANT COUNTERMEASURES EXIST: "These countermeasures include: shielding, wave guide beyond cutoff, spark gap arrestor, filter network, metal oxide varistor, fiber optic circuitry and high speed Zener diode". Old technology sometimes offers a solution. Japanese automobiles functioned "EMP-free" after the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear detonations.

(2) THE AMERICAN MILITARY (plus others) DEVELOP COUNTERMEASURES: the United States supports a large "arsenal" of EMP countermeasures. Modern communications networks are in all probability completely immune to an EMP. This is equally true of modern American weapons systems such as first-line aircraft, tanks, etc. Think of space: "I think there are a couple of things that have to be kept in mind here from a space perspective. We are a work in progress. We have several hundreds of billions of dollars of ground infrastructure and space systems on orbit right now, tens of billions of dollars' worth of systems that are somewhere in the pipeline...The design freezes for at least many of these systems occurred in the middle of the cold war. Indeed, as the committee is aware, most of these systems were optimized for a conception, a set of circumstances that now have, at least to some degree, either ceased to exist entirely or whose complexion has changed dramatically."

(3) EMP IS AN OLD PROBLEM: "As I said in my opening statement, the Soviets planned a very extensive EMP laydown over the United States and elsewhere; and they had a substantial amount of their ICBM force devoted to doing that. So, yes, indeed, they would do just as you anticipated. The rationale thing is punch and punch again and keep on punching so there is a very high likelihood of nothing escaping." The Soviet conceptions, however, had to deal with massive American retaliation. The same would be true of a Muslim attack. "The only type of capability that is at all advanced would be a small nuclear explosive. You are not interested in covering an entire continent, but rather than stretching 4,000 kilometers, you might only be interested in EMP damage over 400 kilometers, which is a major theater of operations. And in those circumstances, quite modest nuclear explosives on very modest rockets, Scud-type rockets, would suffice to potentially impose very severe damage—as I said in my opening statement, the damage sufficient to make the difference between American victory and American defeat in the military sense."

(4) NON-PROLIFERATION IS THE CHEAPEST COUNTERMEASURE: "And I recognize that there is the possibility of a rogue nation or, for that matter, a rogue terrorist group attempting to perform an EMP attack. I think that is very, very remote, and I would say if we have the treasure to put to this problem, even though it be very, very remote, we ought to prevent it from happening. We ought to deny the access to those rogues and do everything possible to prevent such a happening, rather than to undertake the almost unthinkable task, in my judgment, of protecting against this very, very severe threat, protecting all of our systems."

To sum up, the US military can employ a host of countermeasures including (1) expensive refitting or integrated weapons systems design, (2) anti-ballistic missile defence or (3) massive retaliation. I prefer the latter. It is cheap and, considering the western nuclear arsenal, utterly deadly. Any Muslim attack would die in the inferno of a nuclear hell.

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/cong...as197010_1.htm

http://kyem.dma.ky.gov/KY%20EOP/Ky%2...NDIX%20B-6.doc

http://www.uscc.gov/researchpapers/2...pdfs/strat.pdf
May 5th, 2006  
Ollie Garchy
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldogg
They're being invaded from within. There is more than one way to take down your enemy and a smart enemy will use your own weakness against you. In this case they are using the liberal sympathies of the guilt ridden European former colonial powers and their immigration laws. Their failure to assimilate into the mainstream of their chosen new homes is tell tale as to the long term intentions. If you can't beat them, join them and then change them from the inside.
Bulldogg, you are just feeding the racists the material that they want to consume. The only problem is that this simplistic model of the world does not correspond with what we know of institutional conformism, basic assimilation and very real organizational pressures concerning human thinking or values. Even smaller companies bend the minds of their workers and executives. And immigrants adapt and change. In fact, we all do...on a continual basis. The desire for power, that hard to define word, does not change. Read Galbraith's (God rest his soul) "Anatomy of Power".
May 5th, 2006  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
Does Europe have all these EMP countermeasures though?
May 5th, 2006  
Ollie Garchy
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mohmar Deathstrike
Does Europe have all these EMP countermeasures though?
Yes sir.