The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europe! - Page 47




 
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November 30th, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
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Originally Posted by bulldogg
Each decade seems to bring a new and unbearable danger that if we are to believe our masters would threaten all that we hold near and dear to us. It has been echoed down through the ages and will continue long after this latest threat has passed.

Why is it that we are continually sucked into these scripts unfit for even a low brow Jerry Bruckheimer movie?

FYI, the original quote was uttered by William Pitt to the House of Commons in 1775 and he spoke of the then all encompassing evil of the world, France.
Yup, I'm always suspicious of anybody who claims I'm threatened by something they don't like.
November 30th, 2005  
Morten
 
 
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Originally Posted by gladius
The opening stages of the war will probably have the Islamics fielding some 500 to 1000 divisons, versus the West fielding some 40 to 80 divisions. Even with superior tech the numerical odds are staggering to fend off. Thats if the tech works at all.
bahh... i believe in Quality over Quantity...

their numbers wont do much of a diffrence...
November 30th, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morten

bahh... i believe in Quality over Quantity...

their numbers wont do much of a diffrence...
gladius already played the EMP card ages ago. You'll have to to better than that :P
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November 30th, 2005  
Morten
 
 
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Originally Posted by Mohmar Deathstrike
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Originally Posted by Morten

bahh... i believe in Quality over Quantity...

their numbers wont do much of a diffrence...
gladius already played the EMP card ages ago. You'll have to to better than that :P
? ehm... imho the firepower og todays Artillary, Airforce and Naval would be enough to take em out... they would move around in HUGE groups as an easy target and without any form of shield they would be chanceless...

i just dont think that the quantity would do that much... u might say that they can keep coming! but we can keep shooting too!
November 30th, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morten
? ehm... imho the firepower og todays Artillary, Airforce and Naval would be enough to take em out... they would move around in HUGE groups as an easy target and without any form of shield they would be chanceless...

i just dont think that the quantity would do that much... u might say that they can keep coming! but we can keep shooting too!
The Air Force would be grounded because of the EMP. Shipborne missiles wouldn't work either in gladius' scenario. So you'd only have artillery and the tiny cannons that frigates and destroyers have.
November 30th, 2005  
Morten
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mohmar Deathstrike
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Originally Posted by Morten
? ehm... imho the firepower og todays Artillary, Airforce and Naval would be enough to take em out... they would move around in HUGE groups as an easy target and without any form of shield they would be chanceless...

i just dont think that the quantity would do that much... u might say that they can keep coming! but we can keep shooting too!
The Air Force would be grounded because of the EMP. Shipborne missiles wouldn't work either in gladius' scenario. So you'd only have artillery and the tiny cannons that frigates and destroyers have.
dont talk about the EMP shit... if they launch a nuclear bomb to create the EMP effect it WILL start a nuclear war. Do u really think that the other countries will allow them to throw nuclear bombs all over the place? thats just stupid...
November 30th, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morten
dont talk about the EMP shit... if they launch a nuclear bomb to create the EMP effect it WILL start a nuclear war. Do u really think that the other countries will allow them to throw nuclear bombs all over the place? thats just stupid...
I think it's highly unlikely. But I thought the debate is still within the frame of a preemptive EMP attack by "the Muslims".
November 30th, 2005  
gladius
 
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Originally Posted by Mohmar Deathstrike
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Originally Posted by Damien435
I hate to steer this back on topic but here goes.

Yes, there are an estimated 1.5 billion Muslims in the world and I do not find the thought of a well motived army of 200,000,000 Mulims screaming "Allahu Ackbar!" and attempting to March on Jerusalem and Rome all that hard to believe. If you recall this happened many times in a series of wars we like to call the Crusades.
Yeah, except it was an army of Christians that attempted to march on Jerusalem.
The crusades were started because of 400 years of continual Muslim conquest of Christian lands, to get those lands back. It was not a one sided affair as you would have us believe, get your historical perspective straight. Not to mention the Muslims did invade Europe getting all the way to Vienna and parts of Spain, even though at that time Europe was technologically superior.


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Originally Posted by Morten
dont talk about the EMP shit... if they launch a nuclear bomb to create the EMP effect it WILL start a nuclear war. Do u really think that the other countries will allow them to throw nuclear bombs all over the place? thats just stupid...
An EMP will NOT start a nuclear war.

No one will die as a direct result of an EMP hit. All that will be affected is electronics. The Radiation will disapate in the upper atmosphere, it will not kill anyone. So you are wrong that this will start a Nuclear war. The West will not start a nuclear war unless nuclear weapons are used directly on cities, this is not the case here.


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Originally Posted by Morten

? ehm... imho the firepower og todays Artillary, Airforce and Naval would be enough to take em out... they would move around in HUGE groups as an easy target and without any form of shield they would be chanceless...

i just dont think that the quantity would do that much... u might say that they can keep coming! but we can keep shooting too!
Even if alot of the military equipment survives the EMP strike. The result will be no radio communications because of a supercharged ionesphere. This will last for a few day or weeks.

Even if you had all that superior tech how are you going to coordinate the artillery and aircraft to know where to hit since you can't communicate by radio?

This will happen at least in the opening stages of the war. Large gaps would have already been opened on the front lines for army groups to flow through. Maybe later we can counter but the enemy is already deep inside Europe.
November 30th, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that to Morten. EMP= No communications=No coordinated counter-offensive even with low-tech equipment.

You're right. Muslim caliphates had been established in Spain before the crusades.
November 30th, 2005  
Morten
 
 
Quote:
An EMP will NOT start a nuclear war.

No one will die as a direct result of an EMP hit. All that will be affected is electronics. The Radiation will disapate in the upper atmosphere, it will not kill anyone. So you are wrong that this will start a Nuclear war. The West will not start a nuclear war unless nuclear weapons are used directly on cities, this is not the case here.
so u think that just because no one dies directly by the blast it wont start a nuclear war? thats kinda naive... they use a nuclear bomb, and the effect that it will have is that MILLIONS of people will die, the survivability will drop like a stone if that ever happened.

its the same thing to say that if u nuke something close to the enemys country that'll create a chainreaction like a... tsunami, its okay? u dont actually have to use a nuclear bomb directly at the country to make them nuke u back! The intentions of the, nukes use, is enough...

or i can ask... what makes u so sure that the west will only nuke if it is a direct attack on a city?