The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europe! - Page 13




 
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September 14th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
Let's put the case in plain words:

If there would be such a "M.E. SuperState" arise and goes to INVADE Europe, then WHOLE world (USA, RUSSIA, INDIA, CHINA, JAPAN, AUSTRALIA) will go to help beat this "SuperState", why?

If this "SuperState" dares and is capable to conquer Europe, then it will NEVER stop there, they will dare and be able to conquer Russia, then conquer India, then China, then Japan, then Australia, then USA, then we all can forget Pig Meat.

So END senario is so clear to other big nations, therefore they will UNITE and stop this INVASION happening. For me pesonally I would also take my gun (if I got one then) and fight for my right of Pork
September 14th, 2004  
Eric
 
The Madhi, Jesus, Terminator, Nostradamus, Satan, Hilary, Hitler jr...
2 weeks ago they predicted a 7 pointer earthquake in Southern Cal...
WW1 was the last one and the Twin towers fell...
That is all good and interesting but most of the predictions never happened as told and only far stretched interpretations made it.

When they don't spend their time killing each other, Arabs had and still have an strong urge to invade, slaughter, rape and enslave...
It's OK...
They invaded Europe but eventually we stopped them at Poitier in 732, with spears and swords, Madhi or not.
The so called slow invasion through imported labor is not really an invasion because most of them adopt the local lifestyle, especially after one generation, and we banned the veil and other practices like excision...add to that a wake up call that happened in France in the 90ies when integrist islamist from Algeria tried to bomb the French public opinion into submission but only brought the army in the streets and got their French active cells sent to their virgin full heavens!
Remember: all the Arabs are not terrorists but most of the current active bloody terrorists are Arabs! Al Sadr and Bin Laden are not Madhis....just crazy envious morons hungry for total power over their people...
Just bring it on....I come from the first line of defense in the Mediterranean sea: the island of Corsica, where as was once said by a French president, people carry guns like British umbrellas...
The Corsican flag traced as far as 1258, is white with a chopped off black Moor head on it.
September 14th, 2004  
Lupos
 
 
This is a great post Gladius. Most people are trashing this post before they even think about it. The possibility of a massive muslim empire is intriguing. Yes, the entire world would eventually jump in, but when. This world really will do anything nowadays to be at peace. Most nations are more likely to wait for the muslim army to come to them. They would eventually all, BUT AT WHAT COST! That is the whole point, does no one understand this point. As was explained, not all germans were Nazis but they got swept up in the moment. Sunnis and Shites would come together if the Madhi came, Catholics and Protestants do not get along in some areas of the world but if Christ came back they would all drop their guns and follow him. Bin Laden and Al Sadr are not up to the job of Madhi, But if they are caught, their armies will be leaderless. If a strong leader takes their place, anything can go wrong. By the way, so what if China has the capabilities of making a 200,000,000 man army, China no longer goes to war unless of coarse it involves Taiwan. I highly doubt that Russia and China will ever get together to take over the world, but a muslim world united under the Madhi is not unlikely
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September 15th, 2004  
gladius
 
Thanks Lupos, you sumarized what I was trying to say.

People seem to keep posting how the world will beat the Mahdi, most likely yes I fully agree, I never said the Mahdi is going to win, but he certainly is going to try to win. He's not going to make it easy for everybody to stop him. The world will try to eventually stop him, but when, and at what cost? Most likely the cost will be very very high.

My point is NOT to prove whether he would win or lose, but to prove that is scenario is more than likely to happen. There are hundreds of millions of Muslims who believe the absolutness of this, to them they see only total victory that is why they are going see it through and more than willing to give their lives for it.

Besides, who ever steps up to take the position of the Mahdi will have to not only be ambitious, but also charismatic, crafty, and devious. Without these qualities he may not get past the first few rounds of scrutination. Does anyone really think that a person with such assets and to gain that position is going to be dumb enough to not make the best descisions possible in order to see that he wins. He may not win at the end, but whatever he descides may cost countless lives in order for it to be stopped, this is what I'm trying to point out.
September 15th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
The key factor would be deviousness. If the fellow cannot mask his ambitions with a pretense of good-will toward the rest of the world, then he's in for a messy ride.

If I were in that position, the first thing I would do was put a stop to all Muslim based global terrorism. I'd make peace with Israel and make absolutely everyone think that I'm the best and greatest of people. I'd get the world of Islam firmly united and technologically up-to-date. Since I don't have the numbers to conquer the world outright, I would need technology surpassing all other nations. The world would likely give me the Nobel Peace Prize for being such a schpiffty guy. From there, I'd build, consolidate and prepare. I'd put extremely well disguised terrorist sleeper cells everywhere possible. Once I have the resources and military might of sufficient strength, I'd coordinate all sleeper cells to activate and strike simultaneously. It would be a matter of catching the world completely off-guard, allowing the damage inflicted to be the greatest possible. Then and only then, would I be ready to launch a war of global conquest.

Pulling all of that off is dubious at best, so it would take one hell of a charismatic guy.
September 15th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
My only doubt in this theory is the "front", I think we ought to examine what it would be. I think they would have absolutely no chance in open ground, no chance. Urban warfare is the only way they could pull off anything resembling a true "fight". Even then, It's hard for me to imagine some middle-east version of stalingrad with fanatics rushing units and overrunning them or something. The opposing European and Israel armies have overwhelmingly superior MOUT training than a rag-tag bunch of jihadist punks. And perhaps you're thinking of the insuregencies in Iraq, well, that's a security war, with many restrictions because of civliians and structural damage. This theory is saying that this empire would declare war, and that it would be an all out war. Well then, the west/Isaelis aren't going to hold anything back. These little battles in Iraq are hardly a "show" of western capabilities. Every building, shrine, hospital, and perhaps even school will be blown if necessary. There is no peace to win in this war. Winning hearts is key in today's war, this is why it continues.

A lot of people are challenging this Mahdi military's capability to win, which is not the question, and it may seem I just answered that question. But no, my point was, that it couldn't do any significant damage to the opposeing side, maybe something in a offensive manuver, but it would end soon, any "blitzkrieg" they pull off would soon be met with a alarmed and ready enemy. And as others have pointed out, the world powers aren't going to standby and let them pour tanks, artillery, aircraft, and small-arms by the hundreds of thousands to the middle-east without stopping that little shin-dig, and I doubt the muslims will ever achieve that level of industrial capability.

These are the reasons why I seek to "alter" this theory, in that, I don't see huge armies clashing German-Russian style WWII, no, I see this as a very unconventional war, terror is the key. These terrorist have already shown they can influence countries, and I think they will continue to do so. Europe, I think, will slowly fall to terror. While we have brave countries like UK, Poland, and Italy, their civilian populous is a lot less gung-ho about helping the imperialist yankess in their crusade for oil and territory. You might be thinking of the euro's help in Afganistan? Well, it's true, they are helping some, some. I don't mean to downplay their help, because I really do appreciate our allies, but I'm talking about the future. I think the euros will totally isolate themselves from conflict with the muslims as much as possible, and only seek to get comfy with them. (The last part is primarily reserved for France) Anyways, this is when the bigger part of the great age of terror starts. They would have missed their chance to destroy/hinder the capaibilites of the Islamic extremist, and they would pay dearly for it. I don't know what exactly these terrorist attacks would be, but one way could be the current Iranian threat. With the world condemning America for It's "regime change" strategy, the Iranian threat could very well go unchecked. Our enemy is illusive, and will use trickery until it is too late to stop the damage.

If this empire will arise, it will be a empire of deceit. Not a material empire, nothing you can see, no official flag, no official military, no official buildings. The only proof of this empire will be the wreckage of our buildings, and the blood of our people. It will be a empire in the hearts of our enemies, and the minds of our allies.
September 15th, 2004  
Doppleganger
 
 
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Originally Posted by Chocobo_Blitzer
If this empire will arise, it will be a empire of deceit. Not a material empire, nothing you can see, no official flag, no official military, no official buildings. The only proof of this empire will be the wreckage of our buildings, and the blood of our people. It will be a empire in the hearts of our enemies, and the minds of our allies.
Pretty much what I said to begin with, and what's already happening in Western Europe in the sense that muslim populations in almost every country are rising.

There's no way, no chance, never in a month of Sundays, not now or ever that a muslim superstate can win any kind of armed conflict with the rest of the world. What they CAN do though however is 'take-over' by virtue of continuing to have much bigger families and continue to export their culture wholesale to whichever country they emigrate to.

In an extreme scenario you will have a Western Europe that is mainly populated by muslim peoples and therefore they will have majority voting rights and overall influence in their respective countries. More muslim people = more muslim law = more muslim culture adopted as official national policy. So in a sense the invasion will have succeeded as Christianity will no longer be the dominant religion.

Islam doesn't need a Madhi to become dominant in Western Europe.

All they need is time...
September 16th, 2004  
OSEU
 
The only 'Effective' military power in Europe is British, Britain have the best army, but one of the worst numbers. The French are 2nd to the brits and they aren't anywhere near as 'effective' or as influencial. So it could have been possible a few hundred years ago, if Britain wasn't the worlds super power and the French, Spanish, Italians, Germans etc didnt have an army lol.
September 16th, 2004  
Doppleganger
 
 
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Originally Posted by OSEU
The only 'Effective' military power in Europe is British, Britain have the best army, but one of the worst numbers. The French are 2nd to the brits and they aren't anywhere near as 'effective' or as influencial. So it could have been possible a few hundred years ago, if Britain wasn't the worlds super power and the French, Spanish, Italians, Germans etc didnt have an army lol.
One of the reasons our Army (in particular our infantry) are so effective is because of our small numbers. We'd lose a bit of the professionalism if we were a lot bigger.
September 16th, 2004  
SAINT
 
I think if the US is too busy somewhere to care about Europe.. Russia may seize the chance to invade Europe.

Afterall, Europe is a nice and sweet piece of meat to any hungry invader.

Middle East countries are too divided to invade Europe. See the war in 80s between Iraq and Iran? Islam does not really unite them. They are still separate countries with very different agenda.