Rice urges Europe to not help arm China - Page 4




 
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Boots
 
March 22nd, 2005  
MontyB
 
 
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Well, in a potencial war betewen US and China EU will be in the side of US, this made us potential enemies...
The thing is that China is no more a potential enemy of the USA than any other country on earth given the right circumstances for war and given those circumstances there is no guarantee who's side Europe would be on.

So in this case you are not locking the gate after the horse has bolted but rather before the horse has been purchased.
March 22nd, 2005  
Corocotta
 
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
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Well, in a potencial war betewen US and China EU will be in the side of US, this made us potential enemies...
The thing is that China is no more a potential enemy of the USA than any other country on earth given the right circumstances for war and given those circumstances there is no guarantee who's side Europe would be on.

So in this case you are not locking the gate after the horse has bolted but rather before the horse has been purchased.
Well,I think that we will be in US side, I feel closer to US than to China, concerning culture, ethnical origin, politic sistem.....
March 22nd, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
You're right Stauro. Core roots, blood line the whole shebang.
Just support Korea and Japan in this too. Because if pressed too hard, we might be forced to go to the other side to ensure our survival. The Chinese are a brutal lot. Their philosophy in war has always been: We don't care if we lose 10 men, we don't care if we lose 100, or a 1000, 10,000... a million. Can you do that?
It's what Ho Chi Minh (though Vietnamese) told the French and later the Americans. And the Chinese have this same mentality.
This is very, VERY serious.
I know there are blood ties and common traditions between China and Korea, but this is how brutal they have been in the past and there's no indication saying that it's going to change.
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March 22nd, 2005  
Boobies
 
 

Topic: 13th...


Every country has its brutality side. Don't tell me Japan, or the US have not shown their brutality in getting what then want. Not gonna dramatize the US, but, JAPAN of present will be your PERFECT EXAMPLE (brutality in treating of past, extreme but subtle racism, inequality in gender, etc). And number of citizen death does not bother Japan neither. So, to single out China and Vietnam being brutal lots are not right (all countries bear the sin of brutality).

Stauro, yes, I know your feeling of closeness of the US base on race and bloodline. And maybe you will do whatever, even if is wrong, to stand by the US side because of European closeness and political view/agenda.

From what I had seen and experienced, the "Yellow Bastards" will just have to wait for their turn on Justice and Fairness.
March 22nd, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
I'm not saying we've never been brutal.
It's just that they've never STOPPED being brutal. Do you know why the Tianamen Square incident is not considered serious in China? Because the casualty count was too low. Right. It was "too low" to be considered too serious.
Most of us have come around and gotten beyond that stage. China keeps it. And on top of that, their interests in the region conflicts with Korea's and the prospect of Korea actually going up to grab China's land is practically nonexistent but the Chinese threat of coming in and trying to grab North Korean territory in the event of an NK collapse is real (because of strategic geographic reasons).
And South Korea is an ally of the US and Europe. Don't forget that. Yes we got some young noise makers saying crap but they're just taking out their school stress angst.
Basically what it all means is for us, China is too big of a threat to play "oh let's piss off the Americans" games with. It's too big, too dangerous and incredibly real. The Taiwanese live at the very front of this threat. Korea follows just behind it. If China manages to gain Taiwan and perhaps even win over Korea, do you know how much it would add to their power?
March 22nd, 2005  
Zyca
 
 
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Originally Posted by Cabal
Another issue concerning US actions is the 14 billion dollars arms package sent to Taiwan consisting a variety of Advanced and High-tech weapon systems. If the United States want to see balance and peace between Mainland China and Taiwan, both arms deals must be scrapped at once. Unfortunetly, Washington is often ignoring Beijing's pleads not to ship the arms package. Judging by this, then in my opinion, China has the right to purchase European Military Hardware.
TAIWAN!

So in your opinion, if the US stops selling weapons to Taiwan, China will not be building up the military?

Lol, I meant to say the US stops selling weapons to Taiwan, not China, edited.
March 22nd, 2005  
Boobies
 
 

Topic: Wait...


Why do you have notion that China will take over NK. I am not too sure of that. If NK collapsed (not by the US pre-emtive strike), it is up to the Koreans to determine what they wanna do with the rest of it.

I don't see the logic of China going over NK and take control of it with current global politics. China is worrying its homefront (domestic problems both economical and social), not Korea. No one will tolerate China take over NK politically, and the Chinese government knows it and won't chance it. Do you think the world and the CHinese people will allow China to add SK to its map? Don't you agree China has more internal issues to work with instead of world domination politically and militarily?

Taiwan is different story. There is still a dispute of ownership between the two. Korea is Korea (NK and SK). I just don't see China will go overboard with its Capitalistic Communism domination through NK, TW outward towards rest of Asia.

No argument about human rights here. I agree thathuman rights is the concern of China. However, to worry about China's military and political domination of Asia is a man-made obsession in extreme. It is not going to happen.
March 23rd, 2005  
gladius
 
As far as China goes heres something more to worry about... i think there maybe genuine concern about not selling sophisticated weapons to China.

REPORT: CHINA, RUSSIA TO 'REHEARSE INVASION OF TAIWAN'
Thu Mar 17 2005 11:02:09 ET

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3rc.htm

The initial plans were to practice operational teamwork in combating terrorism during the exercise. However, Beijing, skillfully changing the format of the exercise, has tried to re-orient the two countries' armies to practicing an invasion of Taiwan.
March 23rd, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
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you're right Stauro. Core roots, blood line the whole shebang.
Just support Korea and Japan in this too. Because if pressed too hard, we might be forced to go to the other side to ensure our survival. The Chinese are a brutal lot. Their philosophy in war has always been: We don't care if we lose 10 men, we don't care if we lose 100, or a 1000, 10,000... a million. Can you do that?
It's what Ho Chi Minh (though Vietnamese) told the French and later the Americans. And the Chinese have this same mentality.
This is very, VERY serious.
I know there are blood ties and common traditions between China and Korea, but this is how brutal they have been in the past and there's no indication saying that it's going to change.
dude, stop ****** being racist, ur basically calling chinese brutal and does not care about human lives, u ought to be banned.

if u didnt have your racist mind working out ur little statment, u could;ve AT LEAST said:" the chinese strategy is blah blah blah"

i know ur objection to that is : wah wah wah, you guys dised japs"

well we didnt dis the japanese people only their past histories and hisotrical figures, we have nothing aginsit them


so next time u are being racist i suggest you rethink over what you have written
March 23rd, 2005  
CABAL
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zyca
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabal
Another issue concerning US actions is the 14 billion dollars arms package sent to Taiwan consisting a variety of Advanced and High-tech weapon systems. If the United States want to see balance and peace between Mainland China and Taiwan, both arms deals must be scrapped at once. Unfortunetly, Washington is often ignoring Beijing's pleads not to ship the arms package. Judging by this, then in my opinion, China has the right to purchase European Military Hardware.
TAIWAN!

So in your opinion, if the US stops selling weapons to Taiwan, China will not be building up the military?

Lol, I meant to say the US stops selling weapons to Taiwan, not China, edited.
I have posted a clear statement. Please stay away from posting stupid questions. I really don't like stupid questions. If you want to disagree, then clearly disagree with a strong solid but yet respectful assertion.

You look at this issue from a strong Taiwanese point of view. So I actually expect the obvious. However, I look from a German one.

You see, the situation regarding Adv. Weapon Shipments are similar between Mainland China and Taiwan. One threatens to carry on it's independence movement through arms. Another threatens to reclaim the island through arms. Same agenda, same situation.

Speaking of Arms, "political power comes from the barrel of the gun."